Shimano 600
03-26-12, 12:11 PM
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Shimano 600
I was wondering how the Shimano 600 compares to newer groups nowadays? And I see that there are Shimano 600 EX and Shimano 600 Arabesque, what are the differences? Which is better in terms of quality and price?
03-26-12, 12:16 PM
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It is all 600 and good quality. It is simply a matter of what you want. The early stuff all functions well but if you want something with a bit of flair you opt for the Arabesque. Something with aero brakes but the simplicity of DT shifting you go for Tricolor and if you pricey bling you opt for the new stuff with brifters and those ugly cranks.
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600 Tricolor is the minimum group in the Shimano line of what I would use for a "nice bike". But I am also a heretic because I love outboard bearings, integrated/indexed shifting, threadless stems, etc... I just appreciate good ol' steel.
It's hard to compare modern groups with older groups, especially if you are trying to compare shimano 600 friction with current ultegra. If we were comparing tricolor, I would say that today's 105 is noticeably better and Tiagra comes close... but that's just me.
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It's hard to compare modern groups with older groups, especially if you are trying to compare shimano 600 friction with current ultegra. If we were comparing tricolor, I would say that today's 105 is noticeably better and Tiagra comes close... but that's just me.
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03-26-12, 12:36 PM
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I guess what I'm trying to get at as for resale purpose, does a full Shimano 600 EX group cost more than a full Shimano 600 Arabesque group?
03-26-12, 03:14 PM
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For some reason, I have never been too impressed with the derailleurs from the early-'80s "Arabesque" 600 group. Anybody else feel the same way? The crank sets are beautiful, and the friction shifters look nice.
03-26-12, 05:55 PM
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From experience a realy nice looking Arabeque group will fetch a bit of a premium when sold as a group. On whole bike built up there isn't going to be much of a difference in price.
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Personally, I really like the appearance of Shimano Arabesque components, but have never been disappointed with any of the Shimano 600 series...
How do they compare to the newer groups? No where near as "user friendly", in my opinion.
How do they compare to the newer groups? No where near as "user friendly", in my opinion.
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Shimano 600 EX can have indexing (newer ones did). Arabesque never did. Arabesque is pretty to some while EX is nothing but business. I feel that the Arabesque will fetch more.
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I like 600 EX components. I have been riding one group for 27 years.
It has not let me down. I have the wheels from that group on my winter training bike now, and wonder how many miles can a set of wheels endure.
When I see Shimano EX, or (I know it is heresy) Suntour ARX components on Ebay at a reasonable price, I buy them.
It has not let me down. I have the wheels from that group on my winter training bike now, and wonder how many miles can a set of wheels endure.
When I see Shimano EX, or (I know it is heresy) Suntour ARX components on Ebay at a reasonable price, I buy them.
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I like 600 EX components. I have been riding one group for 27 years.
It has not let me down. I have the wheels from that group on my winter training bike now, and wonder how many miles can a set of wheels endure.
When I see Shimano EX, or (I know it is heresy) Suntour ARX components on Ebay at a reasonable price, I buy them.
It has not let me down. I have the wheels from that group on my winter training bike now, and wonder how many miles can a set of wheels endure.
When I see Shimano EX, or (I know it is heresy) Suntour ARX components on Ebay at a reasonable price, I buy them.
03-28-12, 11:23 AM
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I see soo many campagnolo super record parts on ebay but I don't know which one, how do you know which one is the right one? For a vintage bike.
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I'm not an expert but the Super Record you want is all alloy, no carbon. Search for "Super Record -carbon" and you should get the vintage parts. They're pricey if you buy separate. Better to find a parts bike.
03-28-12, 04:04 PM
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I'll take 1976-1984 Campagnolo Super Record (or Record / NR for that matter) over any similar period shimano group or component.
The cranks in the above photo are about as blantant a copy of Campy's SR crank as you can get, ditto for the brake levers, etc.
The only thing that Campy got beat on was indexed shifting, they were slow to adopt it and by the time they finally got around to it, the japanese were eating up a large portion of their lunch!
But since I've never been a fan of index shifting, I don't really care. You can't beat the beauty of a full Campy Record, NR (before their edical new group) or SR gruppo from the late 70s thru early 80s. And they're durable & reliable too (I've heard about some broken SR titanium BB spindles and hub axles, but never first hand).
The cranks in the above photo are about as blantant a copy of Campy's SR crank as you can get, ditto for the brake levers, etc.
The only thing that Campy got beat on was indexed shifting, they were slow to adopt it and by the time they finally got around to it, the japanese were eating up a large portion of their lunch!
But since I've never been a fan of index shifting, I don't really care. You can't beat the beauty of a full Campy Record, NR (before their edical new group) or SR gruppo from the late 70s thru early 80s. And they're durable & reliable too (I've heard about some broken SR titanium BB spindles and hub axles, but never first hand).
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It's hard to compare modern groups with older groups, especially if you are trying to compare shimano 600 friction with current ultegra. If we were comparing tricolor, I would say that today's 105 is noticeably better and Tiagra comes close... but that's just me.
You guys can flog me if you want.
You guys can flog me if you want.
03-28-12, 09:25 PM
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I like 600 tricolor and mid ninties Campagnolo I have a 105 set on one bike and everything else is Suntour.
That said what's your budget I buy a bike for the frame and drape it in the parts that have withstood the test of time and since I am a heavy rider too light just means wear out faster... Advertising drives the market of bicycle components (where is Sheldon's wisdom when new products heavily advertised reach the market?) [ hmmm wise-dumb] Shimano STI shifters are an example of cool but not serviceable (unless you have donor parts so I won't buy them or use them. Barcons are great fricton is great and indexing is great on the downtube and bar ends...
Not sure if that helps...
That said what's your budget I buy a bike for the frame and drape it in the parts that have withstood the test of time and since I am a heavy rider too light just means wear out faster... Advertising drives the market of bicycle components (where is Sheldon's wisdom when new products heavily advertised reach the market?) [ hmmm wise-dumb] Shimano STI shifters are an example of cool but not serviceable (unless you have donor parts so I won't buy them or use them. Barcons are great fricton is great and indexing is great on the downtube and bar ends...
Not sure if that helps...
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I'll take 1976-1984 Campagnolo Super Record (or Record / NR for that matter) over any similar period shimano group or component.
The cranks in the above photo are about as blantant a copy of Campy's SR crank as you can get, ditto for the brake levers, etc.
The only thing that Campy got beat on was indexed shifting, they were slow to adopt it and by the time they finally got around to it, the japanese were eating up a large portion of their lunch!
But since I've never been a fan of index shifting, I don't really care. You can't beat the beauty of a full Campy Record, NR (before their edical new group) or SR gruppo from the late 70s thru early 80s. And they're durable & reliable too (I've heard about some broken SR titanium BB spindles and hub axles, but never first hand).
The cranks in the above photo are about as blantant a copy of Campy's SR crank as you can get, ditto for the brake levers, etc.
The only thing that Campy got beat on was indexed shifting, they were slow to adopt it and by the time they finally got around to it, the japanese were eating up a large portion of their lunch!
But since I've never been a fan of index shifting, I don't really care. You can't beat the beauty of a full Campy Record, NR (before their edical new group) or SR gruppo from the late 70s thru early 80s. And they're durable & reliable too (I've heard about some broken SR titanium BB spindles and hub axles, but never first hand).
how do I know I'm getting that type of campy record or sr from that time frame? Too many results come up from ebay
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