Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Advocacy & Safety
Reload this Page >

I waited to post about this until the driver was found.

Notices
Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

I waited to post about this until the driver was found.

Old 09-13-22, 04:12 PM
  #1  
JW Fas
Cop Magnet
Thread Starter
 
JW Fas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 241
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 171 Times in 81 Posts
I waited to post about this until the driver was found.

Long story short, a local cyclist and father of 10 was hit and killed on 27AUG. He was in the bike lane on a road I frequently ride myself. It didn't take police long to find the offending vehicle (which had been abandoned), but it was only until today that we received word the driver was found and charged. Her actions were a trifecta of heinousness: 1) high on Percocet, 2) texting and looking down when she hit Charles, and 3) she tried to cover up what she did.

https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/wisc...d-father-of-10

Charles' family lives only a few streets away from me. If there is any silver lining, a GoFundMe was established for his wife and children, and so far it's raised over $200k.
JW Fas is offline  
Likes For JW Fas:
Old 09-13-22, 04:18 PM
  #2  
Paul Barnard
For The Fun of It
 
Paul Barnard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Louisissippi Coast
Posts: 5,487

Bikes: Lynskey GR300, Lynskey Backroad, Litespeed T6, Lynskey MT29, Burley Duet

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1886 Post(s)
Liked 1,317 Times in 664 Posts
So sad and senseless.
Paul Barnard is offline  
Old 09-14-22, 12:35 PM
  #3  
JoeyBike
20+mph Commuter
 
JoeyBike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA USA
Posts: 7,105

Bikes: Surly LHT, a folding bike, and a beater.

Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1193 Post(s)
Liked 132 Times in 88 Posts
Originally Posted by JW Fas View Post
...the driver was found and charged..
Great! I'm sure she's the very last distracted substance abusing motorist out there. So, back out on the road ya go! Nothing to worry about.
JoeyBike is offline  
Likes For JoeyBike:
Old 09-14-22, 02:00 PM
  #4  
Milton Keynes
Senior Member
 
Milton Keynes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 3,886

Bikes: Trek 1100 road bike, Roadmaster gravel/commuter/beater mountain bike

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2235 Post(s)
Liked 1,652 Times in 906 Posts
The sad thing is that you don't have to be high on Percocet to run over someone on a bike because you were texting. But I'm sure that contributed to her poor decision making. Hope they throw the book at her.
Milton Keynes is offline  
Old 09-14-22, 02:02 PM
  #5  
nomadmax 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 2,149
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 982 Post(s)
Liked 1,463 Times in 707 Posts
I'm going with probation and time served.

RIP cyclist.
__________________
nomadmax is offline  
Old 09-14-22, 06:46 PM
  #6  
sam21fire
Flying and Riding
 
sam21fire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NE Wisconsin
Posts: 360

Bikes: Trek 520

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked 16 Times in 10 Posts
I live in WI and am frequently amazed and infuriated to read news articles about someone getting arrested for their (wait for it).. 12, 13, or 14th OWI (operating while intoxicated). And they STILL get a comparative slap on the hand, usually a year in jail and their license stays suspended/revoked. Why you ask? Because the Wisconsin Tavern League pays an obscene amount of money into legislative election campaigns. I wish I could be surprised that the driver is from Wisconsin but sadly I'm not.
sam21fire is offline  
Likes For sam21fire:
Old 09-15-22, 09:06 AM
  #7  
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,238

Bikes: Sekine 1979 ten speed racer

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1356 Post(s)
Liked 505 Times in 338 Posts
I see this as a trend that the driver is normally not charged if he stays at the scene and victims are either pedestrians or cyclists.

The only time drivers are charged are
1) hit-and-run;
2) DUI or suspended or no licence;
3) already wanted by the police;
4) the victim is in a car or motor vehicle.

In the case of this story, it's hit-and-run, DUI and no licence.
Daniel4 is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 09:04 AM
  #8  
rydabent
Senior Member
 
rydabent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Posts: 9,619

Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Tour II

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2991 Post(s)
Liked 934 Times in 554 Posts
There should be a law that if you are on your cell phone, and hit someone, the fine is doubled.
rydabent is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 09:05 AM
  #9  
rydabent
Senior Member
 
rydabent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Posts: 9,619

Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Tour II

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2991 Post(s)
Liked 934 Times in 554 Posts
Actually I would support a law that says cell phone would shut down if moving faster than 10 mph.
rydabent is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 09:40 AM
  #10  
Bald Paul
Senior Member
 
Bald Paul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 1,071
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 506 Post(s)
Liked 988 Times in 459 Posts
Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
There should be a law that if you are on your cell phone, and hit someone, the fine is doubled.
Unfortunately, in many states, it's not illegal to be on a cellphone while driving, even if it's not hands free. If you hit someone, you don't even get ticketed for being on the phone.

Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Actually I would support a law that says cell phone would shut down if moving faster than 10 mph.
What would little Johnny and Susie do in the back seat of the SUV on that long family road trip without their phones? Many phones are BT linked to the auto's audio system for hands free use and can be set up for voice activated dialing. That could be useful should someone ever find themselves in a situation where they were being followed, or someone was road raging them, and they needed to call police. Stopping or slowing below 10MPH in such an instance wouldn't be too advisable.
It's a good idea, and if it could somehow be technologically feasible for the phone to detect (a) it's location in the car, and (b) if it was not being used in a hands free manner, then such a law would be great.
Bald Paul is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 10:39 AM
  #11  
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,238

Bikes: Sekine 1979 ten speed racer

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1356 Post(s)
Liked 505 Times in 338 Posts
I wouldn't doubt that it's already possible for cell phones to already be able to detect who the driver is. I also would not doubt that the hesitancy is political.

Any politician who invokes this law would lose the next election.

Also, as long as this solution is not implemented, all the onus is on the driver who becomes involved in a collision. But if this solution were in place, then cell phone manufactures would have to take some responsibility if a collision were to occur because the detection failed to stop the driver from using the cell phone.
Daniel4 is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 02:48 PM
  #12  
JoeyBike
20+mph Commuter
 
JoeyBike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA USA
Posts: 7,105

Bikes: Surly LHT, a folding bike, and a beater.

Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1193 Post(s)
Liked 132 Times in 88 Posts
Originally Posted by Bald Paul View Post
Unfortunately, in many states, it's not illegal to be on a cellphone while driving, even if it's not hands free. If you hit someone, you don't even get ticketed for being on the phone.
Lawmakers want to yack on their phones behind the wheel too.
JoeyBike is offline  
Likes For JoeyBike:
Old 09-17-22, 04:23 PM
  #13  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 36,458

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4606 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 472 Times in 316 Posts
Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
There should be a law that if you are on your cell phone, and hit someone, the fine is doubled.
\I'm not sure that doubling the fine is enough. Maybe the fine should be something like $0.50 per pound of the car (per the registration docs). Also, suspending driver's licenses doesn't seem to work much. Possibly judges taking away the offending cell phone for a period might hurt more.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 07:17 PM
  #14  
Leisesturm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,256
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2000 Post(s)
Liked 447 Times in 324 Posts
OMG. FB lives! As far back as 8 or 10 years ago I once had a GPS that had voice control. Voice Command mode didn't work all that well so I would be tempted to just try and use it conventionally. Nothing doing. If you were even in stop and go traffic it wouldn't take any input from the screen. Most phones know that you are driving and throw up a defeatable 'driving mode'. That is more than enough. If you defeat the 'driving mode' feature of your smartphone and are then implicated in a fatal accident, that should be that! It would only take a few permanent license suspensions to get the word out that texting and driving are fatal to your operators privileges. As I understand it, being a cyclist in Western Europe is much safer than in the U.S. mainly because there is zero tolerance there for killing a cyclist. Even if the cyclist were somehow at fault, you don't get to blame them and go on with your life like nothing happened. They don't jail you forever but you won't ever (legally) drive again. Makes the drivers pay double the usual amount of attention when they spot a cyclist.
Leisesturm is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 08:22 PM
  #15  
JW Fas
Cop Magnet
Thread Starter
 
JW Fas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 241
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 171 Times in 81 Posts
Today there was a memorial ride held for Charlie. Donations were collected to further assist his family. Approximately 500 cyclists showed up to the event.

Recap of the ride:
JW Fas is offline  
Likes For JW Fas:
Old 09-21-22, 08:40 AM
  #16  
genec
genec
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 27,066

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 81 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13126 Post(s)
Liked 4,229 Times in 2,931 Posts
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
I see this as a trend that the driver is normally not charged if he stays at the scene and victims are either pedestrians or cyclists.

The only time drivers are charged are
1) hit-and-run;
2) DUI or suspended or no licence;
3) already wanted by the police;
4) the victim is in a car or motor vehicle.

In the case of this story, it's hit-and-run, DUI and no licence.
Sadly, that is often the case, when the driver stays at the scene... as the driver is then the only witness and can testify "they served/stepped right out in front of me, there was nothing I could do..." and that is readily accepted.
genec is offline  
Old 09-21-22, 08:43 AM
  #17  
genec
genec
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 27,066

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 81 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13126 Post(s)
Liked 4,229 Times in 2,931 Posts
Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Actually I would support a law that says cell phone would shut down if moving faster than 10 mph.
That's gonna really make "voice by turn" google maps driving quite difficult. Perhaps drivers can just hold paper maps in their laps, eh?
genec is offline  
Old 09-21-22, 01:32 PM
  #18  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 35,751
Mentioned: 204 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16405 Post(s)
Liked 11,157 Times in 5,420 Posts
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
I see this as a trend that the driver is normally not charged if he stays at the scene and victims are either pedestrians or cyclists.

The only time drivers are charged are
1) hit-and-run;
2) DUI or suspended or no licence;
3) already wanted by the police;
4) the victim is in a car or motor vehicle.

In the case of this story, it's hit-and-run, DUI and no licence.
In case you are not aware, "hit-and run" is (in at least most states) a crime in and of itself. You can hit a cyclist, pedestrian, or whatever and be 100% not at fault and still be charged with a crime for leaving the scene.
indyfabz is offline  
Old 09-22-22, 08:34 AM
  #19  
AmandaKY
Newbie
 
AmandaKY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thank you fir sharing this information.
AmandaKY is offline  
Old 09-23-22, 02:58 PM
  #20  
Gear_Admiral 
Newbie
 
Gear_Admiral's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 8 Posts
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
In case you are not aware, "hit-and run" is (in at least most states) a crime in and of itself. You can hit a cyclist, pedestrian, or whatever and be 100% not at fault and still be charged with a crime for leaving the scene.
> You can ... still be charged with a crime ....

Exactly. You *can* be, but there's no guarantee. You can provide video evidence and have witnesses, but if no one died and you (the victim) did not have your car damaged, the police may just tell you pound sand. I've heard about too many stories to trust that committing a crime leads to arrest. If you commit a crime, the police may arrest you, or not. If it's very cloudy, then it may rain, or not.
Gear_Admiral is offline  
Old 10-15-22, 09:06 PM
  #21  
rsbob 
Sniveling Weasel
 
rsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Seattle-ish
Posts: 3,301
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1235 Post(s)
Liked 2,327 Times in 1,344 Posts
Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Great! I'm sure she's the very last distracted substance abusing motorist out there. So, back out on the road ya go! Nothing to worry about.
so inappropriate.
__________________
Immoderate Cyclist “No regerts” 🚴🏾‍♂️




rsbob is offline  
Likes For rsbob:
Old 10-17-22, 04:42 PM
  #22  
mcours2006
Senior Member
 
mcours2006's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Toronto, CANADA
Posts: 6,137

Bikes: ...a few.

Mentioned: 47 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1972 Post(s)
Liked 363 Times in 205 Posts
So tragic, and happens far too often where the driver flees the scene thinking she can get away with killing someone. What despicable person, after hitting someone with a car, would leave them there to die? Distracted driving is going to be the death of all cyclists.

While riding home the other day I happen to glance over a passing vehicle along a winding road. The woman driver had one hand on the wheel and the other holding a phone. I yelled at her to get the f**k off her phone. She started to slow down to pull over, but thought better of it. Can't tell you what I might have said or done if she had stopped, but I'm sure it would have ruined both our days. I reported to incident in our Road Watch program.
mcours2006 is offline  
Likes For mcours2006:
Old 10-18-22, 07:55 AM
  #23  
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,238

Bikes: Sekine 1979 ten speed racer

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1356 Post(s)
Liked 505 Times in 338 Posts
Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
So tragic, and happens far too often where the driver flees the scene thinking she can get away with killing someone. What despicable person, after hitting someone with a car, would leave them there to die? Distracted driving is going to be the death of all cyclists.

While riding home the other day I happen to glance over a passing vehicle along a winding road. The woman driver had one hand on the wheel and the other holding a phone. I yelled at her to get the f**k off her phone. She started to slow down to pull over, but thought better of it. Can't tell you what I might have said or done if she had stopped, but I'm sure it would have ruined both our days. I reported to incident in our Road Watch program.
What is the Road Watch Program? Is it available for Torontonians (North York, Scarborough, etc) to report parking in bike lanes and other types of bad driving? I have saved a few clips in my bike cameras so they may be useful after all.
Daniel4 is offline  
Old 10-18-22, 03:35 PM
  #24  
mcours2006
Senior Member
 
mcours2006's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Toronto, CANADA
Posts: 6,137

Bikes: ...a few.

Mentioned: 47 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1972 Post(s)
Liked 363 Times in 205 Posts
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
What is the Road Watch Program? Is it available for Torontonians (North York, Scarborough, etc) to report parking in bike lanes and other types of bad driving? I have saved a few clips in my bike cameras so they may be useful after all.
https://onlinereporting.yrp.ca/RoadWatch.html

I've offered video clips and pics as well, but they've never contacted me for them.
mcours2006 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.