So my "Tubeless Ready" rims are actually...not?
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So my "Tubeless Ready" rims are actually...not?
I have a 2019 Kona Rove ST I bought new, and the bike spec said the rims were "WTB Asym i23 TCS". Well, getting tubeless tires (all WTB--Byways, Ventures, and now Senderos) to mount to these rims has been a nightmare every time. I've never once been able to do it myself - I have one of those Blackburn pumps with the compression chamber, and have even tried the gas station high powered air pump. Always had to take it to the LBS. The last time, it took 2 guys wrestling it for an hour to get the then new Senderos to mount.
So, the Senderos have been on now for a year, and I just popped one side off because something was clogging my valve, so I could clean it out. Now, that side will not mount again. I took it to the LBS and they tried for a good while and basically gave up---they said these rims don't appear to actually be tubeless compatible. That would certainly explain why it's always been a struggle and apparently just luck when they do actually mount. They were sold as "TCS". However, the rim does not say "TCS" anywhere on it. See the pic. Is it the case then that these really aren't TCS rims?
https://konaworld.com/archive/2019/rove_st.cfm
EDIT: I also tried a different tire, the Venture that had previously been on it, and still no luck. Tried the soapy water trick...nada.
So, the Senderos have been on now for a year, and I just popped one side off because something was clogging my valve, so I could clean it out. Now, that side will not mount again. I took it to the LBS and they tried for a good while and basically gave up---they said these rims don't appear to actually be tubeless compatible. That would certainly explain why it's always been a struggle and apparently just luck when they do actually mount. They were sold as "TCS". However, the rim does not say "TCS" anywhere on it. See the pic. Is it the case then that these really aren't TCS rims?
https://konaworld.com/archive/2019/rove_st.cfm
EDIT: I also tried a different tire, the Venture that had previously been on it, and still no luck. Tried the soapy water trick...nada.
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It does have the center channel -- see this pic. I had put a tube in earlier and inflated it way up and the bead totally seated. But, I now take out the tube, put my tubeless valve back in nice and tight, pump up the air cylinder to 160psi and let 'er rip, and....nothin'.
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Everything I read about this rim indicates that it's tubeless. Try a different tire?
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I’ve never used tubeless on a bike. But I’ve seen tire techs and car mechanics put a strap around the tire and tighten it to get the bead to seal when they begin inflating. Something like that might work on a tubeless bike tire. Maybe a long piece of cord tied tightly around the tire. Then once/if the bead sets, remove the cord and fully inflate.
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This has always been an issue with these WTB rims and all three of the WTB tires I have used with them. LBS's have always had to struggle to get them to mount. It seems like it's just luck when it works. Sucks, because, I want to be able to change my darn tires myself! I got the tubeless cylinder pump for that very reason. As I say I even tried the gas station air compressor. I feel like it shouldn't be this hard. Would springing for new/better rims mean I'd have a greater likelihood of more ease of tubeless maintenance?
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I’ve never used tubeless on a bike. But I’ve seen tire techs and car mechanics put a strap around the tire and tighten it to get the bead to seal when they begin inflating. Something like that might work on a tubeless bike tire. Maybe a long piece of cord tied tightly around the tire. Then once/if the bead sets, remove the cord and fully inflate.
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roll firmly the tire while on the rim during inflation.
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Yep, tried a WTB Venture that was previously on this wheel. No luck.
This has always been an issue with these WTB rims and all three of the WTB tires I have used with them. LBS's have always had to struggle to get them to mount. It seems like it's just luck when it works. Sucks, because, I want to be able to change my darn tires myself! I got the tubeless cylinder pump for that very reason. As I say I even tried the gas station air compressor. I feel like it shouldn't be this hard. Would springing for new/better rims mean I'd have a greater likelihood of more ease of tubeless maintenance?
This has always been an issue with these WTB rims and all three of the WTB tires I have used with them. LBS's have always had to struggle to get them to mount. It seems like it's just luck when it works. Sucks, because, I want to be able to change my darn tires myself! I got the tubeless cylinder pump for that very reason. As I say I even tried the gas station air compressor. I feel like it shouldn't be this hard. Would springing for new/better rims mean I'd have a greater likelihood of more ease of tubeless maintenance?
Maybe try mounting a non-WTB tire? Or ask if the shop has a non-WTB rim they'd let you try to mount your WTB tire on, just to see?
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I've had no issues with the two tubeless wheelsets I own (both have WTB rims, one uses WTB tires), so I can't really say if other rims would necessarily work better -- and that can be an expensive experiment!
Maybe try mounting a non-WTB tire? Or ask if the shop has a non-WTB rim they'd let you try to mount your WTB tire on, just to see?
Maybe try mounting a non-WTB tire? Or ask if the shop has a non-WTB rim they'd let you try to mount your WTB tire on, just to see?
I'd be down to try other tires, but then as with new rims what am I chasing? It just seems like something is off here--"tubeless ready" WTB rims and tubeless WTB tires that don't play well together. And it's been true w the Ventures and the Senderos, so it's not just one particular tire. Maybe I just got a crappy pair of WTB rims?
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This technique works for me:
I have WTB KOM Tough i25 rims and Gravelking SK 700x50. I pull half the bead on each side up on the "shelf" and that puts a lot of tension on the beads so it holds air well enough I can pump it up with a regular floor pump - I don't even have to take the valve cores out.
I have WTB KOM Tough i25 rims and Gravelking SK 700x50. I pull half the bead on each side up on the "shelf" and that puts a lot of tension on the beads so it holds air well enough I can pump it up with a regular floor pump - I don't even have to take the valve cores out.
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We just had major problems w/ WTB rims and getting tires to hold air. Their center channel is pretty deep. We taped the rims probably 5-6 different times and then gave up. We called WTB (they're right down the street from us) and they brought some silly little bits that were supposed to go between the valve lockring and the rim. They didn't help at all. I had mentioned to the guy working on it originally that I've seen some narrow (width of the center channel basically) red tape w/ some WTB rims. We called, asked for that and boom...no more leaks. It goes under the normal tubeless tape. That would help w/ seating as well. I'm pretty much convinced that their stuff just kinda sucks.
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We just had major problems w/ WTB rims and getting tires to hold air. Their center channel is pretty deep. We taped the rims probably 5-6 different times and then gave up. We called WTB (they're right down the street from us) and they brought some silly little bits that were supposed to go between the valve lockring and the rim. They didn't help at all. I had mentioned to the guy working on it originally that I've seen some narrow (width of the center channel basically) red tape w/ some WTB rims. We called, asked for that and boom...no more leaks. It goes under the normal tubeless tape. That would help w/ seating as well. I'm pretty much convinced that their stuff just kinda sucks.
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This technique works for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rkb...=SydFixesBikes
I have WTB KOM Tough i25 rims and Gravelking SK 700x50. I get pull the bead on each side up on the "shelf" and that puts a lot of tension on the beads so it holds air well enough I can pump it up with a regular floor pump - I don't even have to take the valve cores out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rkb...=SydFixesBikes
I have WTB KOM Tough i25 rims and Gravelking SK 700x50. I get pull the bead on each side up on the "shelf" and that puts a lot of tension on the beads so it holds air well enough I can pump it up with a regular floor pump - I don't even have to take the valve cores out.
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When I changed my gravel bike tire I had a hell of a time, much worse than Schwalbe tires on my Scraper rims, and I think the cause is the rim width. It's a WTB this size though not this model. MTB rims are much wider so the shelf from the inner channel to the bead seat is a lot more forgiving of the technique shown in the video above. I had a similar problem once with an asym rim whose channel was off center, not the usual arrangement. (Diamondback Blanchard, fwiw.) The wide side went easy, the narrow side was just a pain in the ass. It definitely does help to pull as much as possible of the bead into place as you can so it's good and tight before you start to add air.
WTB rims also have a ridge between the "shelf" and the bead seat which is supposed to guide the bead over and lock it in, but definitely does also present an obstacle that literally must be overcome. Called "On Ramp" in their ad copy.
When I use a compressor I have the valve core out and use the blowoff nozzle.
WTB rims also have a ridge between the "shelf" and the bead seat which is supposed to guide the bead over and lock it in, but definitely does also present an obstacle that literally must be overcome. Called "On Ramp" in their ad copy.
When I use a compressor I have the valve core out and use the blowoff nozzle.
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When I changed my gravel bike tire I had a hell of a time, much worse than Schwalbe tires on my Scraper rims, and I think the cause is the rim width. It's a WTB this size though not this model. MTB rims are much wider so the shelf from the inner channel to the bead seat is a lot more forgiving of the technique shown in the video above. I had a similar problem once with an asym rim whose channel was off center, not the usual arrangement. (Diamondback Blanchard, fwiw.) The wide side went easy, the narrow side was just a pain in the ass. It definitely does help to pull as much as possible of the bead into place as you can so it's good and tight before you start to add air.
WTB rims also have a ridge between the "shelf" and the bead seat which is supposed to guide the bead over and lock it in, but definitely does also present an obstacle that literally must be overcome. Called "On Ramp" in their ad copy.
When I use a compressor I have the valve core out and use the blowoff nozzle.
WTB rims also have a ridge between the "shelf" and the bead seat which is supposed to guide the bead over and lock it in, but definitely does also present an obstacle that literally must be overcome. Called "On Ramp" in their ad copy.
When I use a compressor I have the valve core out and use the blowoff nozzle.
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Well, we have a happy ending. I took it to another LBS and after a few tries w the compressor the mechanic theorized that maybe the tape had gotten compromised when I pulled the bead off, and also noticed my valve wasn't seated ideally in the rim(which might have been from my frustrated tightening it w pliers). He re-taped the rim and put in a new valve and voila! It popped right into place with barely a squirt from the compressor. Total relief and something new for my noobie education.
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I always had a hard time sealing tubeless road tires after they had been used, and removed for cleaning. A few times I had to use a new tire even though the old tire had many klm left. I tried straps, soapy solution, pressing the tire into the rim, a compressor, nothing worked. I was always able to seal the new tires with a floor pump.
The combination was Shimano tubeless rims with Hutchinson fusion tires.
Once I changed to Conti tubeless I was able to seal used tires using a compressor..
The combination was Shimano tubeless rims with Hutchinson fusion tires.
Once I changed to Conti tubeless I was able to seal used tires using a compressor..
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I always had a hard time sealing tubeless road tires after they had been used, and removed for cleaning. A few times I had to use a new tire even though the old tire had many klm left. I tried straps, soapy solution, pressing the tire into the rim, a compressor, nothing worked. I was always able to seal the new tires with a floor pump.
The combination was Shimano tubeless rims with Hutchinson fusion tires.
Once I changed to Conti tubeless I was able to seal used tires using a compressor..
The combination was Shimano tubeless rims with Hutchinson fusion tires.
Once I changed to Conti tubeless I was able to seal used tires using a compressor..
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That's interesting, because my assumption is that the opposite would be more likely, that a used tire would easier to mount back on its same rim than a new one. That said, I was just reading on the Rene Herse site about how their "supple" tires can be trickier to mount than stiffer ones, so perhaps the used ones lose stiffness with use?
However, I was not talking about mounting the tire on the rim, which was not a problem, but sealing the used tire to the rim.
I changed all my valves to core removable valves so I wouldn't have to break the seal to add sealant. Breaking the seal either to add sealant or cleaning the tire-rim was a major problem for me with the combination mentioned.
It was even a reason to abandon the tubeless road tires altogether apart from the experienced rim corrosion,but that's another story.
I did not have this problem with mountain bike tires with the much large volume.
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Well, we have a happy ending. I took it to another LBS and after a few tries w the compressor the mechanic theorized that maybe the tape had gotten compromised when I pulled the bead off, and also noticed my valve wasn't seated ideally in the rim(which might have been from my frustrated tightening it w pliers). He re-taped the rim and put in a new valve and voila! It popped right into place with barely a squirt from the compressor. Total relief and something new for my noobie education.