yet another POS slave-made plastic frame
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Originally Posted by barba
calling carbon fiber plastic is stupid.
just sayin'
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this one isn't *that* slack.
73.5deg ht seems more traditional than some.
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73.5deg ht seems more traditional than some.
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Originally Posted by Mike552
You gotta admit, it's a really ugly frame though. The decals are bad enough, but look at where the headtube and the stem meet, there's no way to get a negative rise stem on there... what kind of a track bike is that********************????
i think its a pretty nice frame, personally.
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even though I love to ride I don't know sh*t about frames. I looks good to me. Please tell me why I'm suppose to hate it.
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Looks a bit like the one in the photo below. The rider is a National Masters Kilo and Team Pursuit champ.
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I want one I will paint it with glow in the dark paint and finally have a tron light cycle yes shut up stop complaining and ride
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Originally Posted by Doctor Who
I really doubt that it's poor design. I mean, I don't know who knows more about the ideal ST angle for a track bike - a bike company with thousands, if not millions, of dollars of R&D and input from professional riders, or a bunch of kids on the Internet, who fetishize vintage bikes that were designed in the '60s.
I'm not trying to be insulting. I'd much rather own a vintage track bike from the '60s, but if I were getting paid to ride a bike, I'd much rather ride a bike that had the R&D done to ensure that every last bit of energy is going to propelling me and my bike, and not fighting wind resistance and a flexible frame.
I'm not trying to be insulting. I'd much rather own a vintage track bike from the '60s, but if I were getting paid to ride a bike, I'd much rather ride a bike that had the R&D done to ensure that every last bit of energy is going to propelling me and my bike, and not fighting wind resistance and a flexible frame.
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I think a lot of the bikes are designed for olympic and world class level tracks and the anticipated speeds that riders will be traveling on them (ie. faster than you or me). "****ing steep" geometry may not serve any good purpose if it's going to result in stearing that isn't neutral for the conditions the bike is designed to be ridden in.
Just to spell this out a bit more, the Forest City Velodrome vs. some track that's been used for the olympics will have vastly different geometry and anticipated rider speeds. These bikes are all designed for the (standardized design) upper level velodromes where all the big competitions are held.
Just to spell this out a bit more, the Forest City Velodrome vs. some track that's been used for the olympics will have vastly different geometry and anticipated rider speeds. These bikes are all designed for the (standardized design) upper level velodromes where all the big competitions are held.
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I don't personally read Walker's criticism of certain mass produced frames as a rant over asthetics. It would seem that Sachs, Walker, and other "purists" (for lack of a better term) view track machines as a bicycle that requires a geometry specific to the steep angles of a velodrome.
Now if a bike looks like a melted candle, and is also unsuitable for the track (BB too low) the fact that it's painted and covered with a million Nascaresque stickers to hide apparent design flaws is a moot point.
But I clearly remember when the message boards complained about the colour choices of Richard Sach's frames or the font selection of a Walkercycles downtube. And probably realizing that even after months of ranting, the were only viable complaints of the handbuilders was that they "didn't like the paint".
That's a cool bike btw. Especially if it works.*
*It reminds me of the Look Athena, a bike that I would pawn my antique Charles X furniture to afford it's $14,000.00 ticket, even if for a day.
Now if a bike looks like a melted candle, and is also unsuitable for the track (BB too low) the fact that it's painted and covered with a million Nascaresque stickers to hide apparent design flaws is a moot point.
But I clearly remember when the message boards complained about the colour choices of Richard Sach's frames or the font selection of a Walkercycles downtube. And probably realizing that even after months of ranting, the were only viable complaints of the handbuilders was that they "didn't like the paint".
That's a cool bike btw. Especially if it works.*
*It reminds me of the Look Athena, a bike that I would pawn my antique Charles X furniture to afford it's $14,000.00 ticket, even if for a day.
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Originally Posted by br995
Can't you just file a bit off the head tube?
Just file the stem.
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Originally Posted by LóFarkas
Don't you dare!
Just file the stem.
Just file the stem.
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Originally Posted by sivat
I'm not saying that I know better than they do, but I know enough about engineering to know that not everybody who can afford to do it, does it. I'm just wondering if the R&D was actually done, or if they are just using the designs from their road bikes. More specifically, I'm wondering, if they are doing the research and engineering, what benefits are gained by the more slack HT (Though, 73.5 isn't all that slack, i've seen as low as 72, and vintage is usually 74-75), and what is it about CF that makes it possible when it appears to be impossible with steel. Vomitron mentions it is easier to paceline, which seems to make sense, though I'm not sure exactly why that would be.
Seems like the bike is designed for kilo/tt/mass start. The slack(er) ht is probably just so road-trained cyclists will feel more comfortable in the pack.
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can we have steel aluminum and carbon fiber fight in a three way steel cage match, or would a steel cage give an unfair advantage to the steel frame?..
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If you imagine the Look to be on a more level angle, these frames look a lot alike. Similar geometry, at least, and the headtube seems to be about the same angle, so the drop-stem issue that someone mentioned doesn't seem to apply.
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yep they're both carbon fiber...
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The Look's headtube/fork treatment gives it the win.
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Yeah, I would imagine that the Look frame probably inspired the Teschner company's branding of their frame. Either one would be great for me to boot around on the streets with. In another 15 years, we will see messengers on these things. How cool will that be?
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Build the look with the seatpost system of the te**** and I'm sold. Except that I don't ride track and I'm broke.
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz
Yeah, I would imagine that the Look frame probably inspired the Teschner company's branding of their frame. Either one would be great for me to boot around on the streets with. In another 15 years, we will see messengers on these things. How cool will that be?
It would be the last bastion of exclusivity.
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Originally Posted by Serendipper
If the market keeps growing, it might be more like another 15 months.
It would be the last bastion of exclusivity.
It would be the last bastion of exclusivity.
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The Look's headtube/fork treatment gives it the win.
...you have the frame, handlebars and fork with wheel still attached go in three different directions.
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz
The road forum had that group buy-in on a full CF frame/fork for 550$USD, that is pretty cheap. I don't think we could organize such a thing here but damn, you are right, it won't be long until we see some cheap-as-hell CF track frames from China on eBay.
Who wants to write a nice letter to the folks at Corima?
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it seems that the riders that can benefit most from aero carbon frames for the most part don't have to pay for them. they may not even like them, but they probably don't have much of a choice in the matter. while thousands of dollars of carefully laid carbon may generate some sort of advantage to a world class athelete, the potential benefit is probably lost on lower category racers with the disposable income to purchase a world class setup.
personally, i would hate to be the guy with a $4000 frameset and $4000 wheels getting his ass handed to him by racers on less exotic rigs.
personally, i would hate to be the guy with a $4000 frameset and $4000 wheels getting his ass handed to him by racers on less exotic rigs.
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kind of off topic, but a curiosity of mine...
so I'm completely ignorant on titanium, it seems as though it's quite light, and quite strong, so why not use it instead of carbon fiber? is it because you can mold carbon fiber into aerodynamic shapes? it's always seemed to me that carbon fiber is to easy to break, but as I said, I'm ignorant in this area of things...
so I'm completely ignorant on titanium, it seems as though it's quite light, and quite strong, so why not use it instead of carbon fiber? is it because you can mold carbon fiber into aerodynamic shapes? it's always seemed to me that carbon fiber is to easy to break, but as I said, I'm ignorant in this area of things...