Shimano Derailleurs Discontinued
03-06-23, 12:46 PM
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Shimano Derailleurs Discontinued
So I've heard that Shimano is introducing a new system which won't be compatible with older rear derailleurs and shift levers. Is this a concern for anyone else? Should we be buying a stock of derailleurs while they're available, or waiting until the new group comes out in the hopes that we can get them cheaper?
03-06-23, 12:56 PM
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Kinda of reminds me of that switch to Indexed then Brifters...
Personally, I will adapt and overcome... Bring it on Shimano!
Wonder what move Campy will make?
Personally, I will adapt and overcome... Bring it on Shimano!
Wonder what move Campy will make?
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03-06-23, 02:25 PM
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You heard it where and when is this happening?
They already changed some a couple/few years ago.
Example- 4600 vs 4700 shifters & RDER's.
They already changed some a couple/few years ago.
Example- 4600 vs 4700 shifters & RDER's.
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guessing OP is referring to this https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shimano-cues/
and in higher end road, shimano is not killing groups, but is killing mechanical shifting and rim brakes
and in higher end road, shimano is not killing groups, but is killing mechanical shifting and rim brakes
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Already a lively discussion at https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...groupsets.html
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Appears the new groups will be very reasonably priced. I wouldn't worry about stocking up. When the obsolete stuff becomes unavailable or too expensive, just move to the new.
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The answer to the OP’s original question is: Yes, but no more than yesterday.
Shimano introducing a group that is supposed to replace a number of lower level groups is fine for purchasers of new components.
But those of us who keep the flame alive know that having the really hard to find bits to replace components we already have installed on our ride/s safely sequestered in the closet will eventually pay off.
Shimano introducing a group that is supposed to replace a number of lower level groups is fine for purchasers of new components.
But those of us who keep the flame alive know that having the really hard to find bits to replace components we already have installed on our ride/s safely sequestered in the closet will eventually pay off.
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Shimano claim they will still make replacement parts for 7 years for everything that is getting phased out. Not great, as bikes will still need parts after 7 years have passed, but better than nothing. At least there are other companies making parts.
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No nothing at all to worry about. If you are running 7 or 8 speed stuff having it discontinued after a period of time isn't a bad thing. It did come out in the late 80s early 90s and it is now 2023. What Shimano is doing is they are coming out with CUES, the idea of that is to make a lower cost higher quality groupset to replace a lot of their low end stuff. They are not discontinuing the low end it is improving the low end to make it better and more modern and compatible with newer stuff so it is easier to upgrade.
If you are running vintage stuff you will want to find NOS or used vintage stuff I would never want to replace my XT-M737 rear derailleur with some altus or acera or something. Either I would upgrade to something new or find a used one which I have just in case it ever dies (which so far I haven't been able to kill).
If you are running vintage stuff you will want to find NOS or used vintage stuff I would never want to replace my XT-M737 rear derailleur with some altus or acera or something. Either I would upgrade to something new or find a used one which I have just in case it ever dies (which so far I haven't been able to kill).
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Sorry I missed that other discussion.
Looks like there will be some improvements in durability, which is good. And I see that it won't be replacing some of the more expensive groups.
My initial concern was that the new derailleurs won't be compatible with current Shimano shifters due to a different cable pull ratio (https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shimano-cues/).
Looks like there will be some improvements in durability, which is good. And I see that it won't be replacing some of the more expensive groups.
My initial concern was that the new derailleurs won't be compatible with current Shimano shifters due to a different cable pull ratio (https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shimano-cues/).
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The answer to the OP’s original question is: Yes, but no more than yesterday.
Shimano introducing a group that is supposed to replace a number of lower level groups is fine for purchasers of new components.
But those of us who keep the flame alive know that having the really hard to find bits to replace components we already have installed on our ride/s safely sequestered in the closet will eventually pay off.
Shimano introducing a group that is supposed to replace a number of lower level groups is fine for purchasers of new components.
But those of us who keep the flame alive know that having the really hard to find bits to replace components we already have installed on our ride/s safely sequestered in the closet will eventually pay off.
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Good for you. Smart move.
People with DA 740X/7700/7800 or 8 speed Tricolor should be sourcing backup bits as nice examples are getting harder to find.
People with DA 740X/7700/7800 or 8 speed Tricolor should be sourcing backup bits as nice examples are getting harder to find.
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stockpiling and buying spare DA7700-7800 parts is becoming necessary if you won't be buying new stuff like11speed or 12speeds or unwanted DI2
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No nothing at all to worry about. If you are running 7 or 8 speed stuff having it discontinued after a period of time isn't a bad thing. It did come out in the late 80s early 90s and it is now 2023. What Shimano is doing is they are coming out with CUES, the idea of that is to make a lower cost higher quality groupset to replace a lot of their low end stuff. They are not discontinuing the low end it is improving the low end to make it better and more modern and compatible with newer stuff so it is easier to upgrade.
If you are running vintage stuff you will want to find NOS or used vintage stuff I would never want to replace my XT-M737 rear derailleur with some altus or acera or something. Either I would upgrade to something new or find a used one which I have just in case it ever dies (which so far I haven't been able to kill).
If you are running vintage stuff you will want to find NOS or used vintage stuff I would never want to replace my XT-M737 rear derailleur with some altus or acera or something. Either I would upgrade to something new or find a used one which I have just in case it ever dies (which so far I haven't been able to kill).
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What's more likely to happen first? The world runs out of used serviceable SIS derailleurs, or you die of old age finish cycling?
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Granted yes probably more metal on the derailleur can lead to it lasting a bit longer but not in every single situation.
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Recent Hambini vid on the Shimano Cues series noted stouter cassettes and CW and opined that was for E bike usage where
such is needed especially with less experienced riders.
Personally it is annoying to me that newer groupos are ignoring rim brake users and those with 'forever' frames using them.
If my 6770 Di2 brifters ever die I will be in a pickle.
such is needed especially with less experienced riders.
Personally it is annoying to me that newer groupos are ignoring rim brake users and those with 'forever' frames using them.
If my 6770 Di2 brifters ever die I will be in a pickle.
