Dave Davey 1950s?
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Dave Davey 1950s?
Picked this lovely single speed/fixed last night, bit battered paint, otherwise seems sound. Mixed bag of parts, with Milremo Professionnels cranks, Mailard hubs on Mavic MA2 rims (later addition for sure), GB spearpoint Kromo stem etc.
Stamped 923 on bb and for steerer. Does this indicated 1959, as if I'm correct he used 4 digits after 1960.
Your thoughts please, any comment will be appreciated.
Stamped 923 on bb and for steerer. Does this indicated 1959, as if I'm correct he used 4 digits after 1960.
Your thoughts please, any comment will be appreciated.
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Beautiful frame, and great colors! Have fun. Is the headset complete? I notice that the fork crown race has been removed in your photos.
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Prugnat lug set
MILREMO chainset done by A. Duprat for Andy Bertin
chainset would have been sourced from RonKit
BB spindle appears Thomas D. Cross & Sons Ltd
do not recognise ends set; wonder if it could be a pattern from Cyclo...
Gripfast seat binder
enjoy these colours
suggested date appears plausible from here
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Prugnat lug set
MILREMO chainset done by A. Duprat for Andy Bertin
chainset would have been sourced from RonKit
BB spindle appears Thomas D. Cross & Sons Ltd
do not recognise ends set; wonder if it could be a pattern from Cyclo...
Gripfast seat binder
enjoy these colours
suggested date appears plausible from here
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Prugnat lug set
MILREMO chainset done by A. Duprat for Andy Bertin
chainset would have been sourced from RonKit
BB spindle appears Thomas D. Cross & Sons Ltd
do not recognise ends set; wonder if it could be a pattern from Cyclo...
Gripfast seat binder
enjoy these colours
suggested date appears plausible from here
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Prugnat lug set
MILREMO chainset done by A. Duprat for Andy Bertin
chainset would have been sourced from RonKit
BB spindle appears Thomas D. Cross & Sons Ltd
do not recognise ends set; wonder if it could be a pattern from Cyclo...
Gripfast seat binder
enjoy these colours
suggested date appears plausible from here
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Many thanks again
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juvela Thanks, your input is appreciated as always. Re cranks - are the cotter pins universal or do I need to source French ones as I need to clean and re-grease bottom bracket. Perhaps they'll be good to reuse but maybe not. Also are the pedals french thread if crank arms are A Bertin made?
Many thanks again
Many thanks again
since the chainset is likely RonKit sourced would expect Brit dimension cotters of 9.5mm and Brit dimension pedal threads
three components was unable to ID from images provided were pedals, brake calipers and headset
locknut of headset looks like it might be TDC, also a TDC headset would be consistent with a TDC bottom bracket assembly (wild speculation)
perhaps one of our framebuilder members will recognise the cycle's ends set
please post updates as you work with this new arrival, its most enjoyable to see
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I'd be a bit suspicious, if the crown race lifted right off, that it's a 27.0 ID type on a fork built to take a 26.4 ID race. I have a 60s frame bought from Hilary Stone that came that way, and also a 1960s Falcon, same deal. I rode the Falcon for several years, always wondering why it was impossible to get the irritating play out of the steerer, until I realized that the crown race wiggled right off. For some reason, I think that both the English & French waffled between 26.something and 27.0 -- possibly because (in England) Nottingham Raleighs used the latter. You might want to check the seat diameter vs the race ID. If the difference is small, the seat can be "adjusted" by knurling.
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I'd be a bit suspicious, if the crown race lifted right off, that it's a 27.0 ID type on a fork built to take a 26.4 ID race. I have a 60s frame bought from Hilary Stone that came that way, and also a 1960s Falcon, same deal. I rode the Falcon for several years, always wondering why it was impossible to get the irritating play out of the steerer, until I realized that the crown race wiggled right off. For some reason, I think that both the English & French waffled between 26.something and 27.0 -- possibly because (in England) Nottingham Raleighs used the latter. You might want to check the seat diameter vs the race ID. If the difference is small, the seat can be "adjusted" by knurling.
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since the chainset is likely RonKit sourced would expect Brit dimension cotters of 9.5mm and Brit dimension pedal threads
three components was unable to ID from images provided were pedals, brake calipers and headset
locknut of headset looks like it might be TDC, also a TDC headset would be consistent with a TDC bottom bracket assembly (wild speculation)
perhaps one of our framebuilder members will recognise the cycle's ends set
please post updates as you work with this new arrival, its most enjoyable to see
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since the chainset is likely RonKit sourced would expect Brit dimension cotters of 9.5mm and Brit dimension pedal threads
three components was unable to ID from images provided were pedals, brake calipers and headset
locknut of headset looks like it might be TDC, also a TDC headset would be consistent with a TDC bottom bracket assembly (wild speculation)
perhaps one of our framebuilder members will recognise the cycle's ends set
please post updates as you work with this new arrival, its most enjoyable to see
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Headset is TDC, correct
Rear brake is GB Coureur Hiduminium
Front brake is Weinmann 730 - I guess late addition due to wheels now being 700 rather than 27 1 1/8 ?
Band-on pump peg is Cyclo
Brake levers are Weinmann AG (Patent)
Handlebars don;t know yet as cotton wrap is still nice on them and perhaps I'll keep it this way for a while, although they are too narrow for my liking at 38cm
No markings on dropouts though, at least can't see them.
Will post more once I get round to clean it fully and start reassembling
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Thanks . It didn't just lift off, I gave it a soft wack with a piece of wood - it was also well greased on the steerer side, hence it came off easier than I expected. But will also measure it just in case, following what you have said. It is TDC Made in England one in VG condition by the way.
my guess from the locknut shape was that it is the "Italia" model -
would expect a fork crown race inside diameter of 26.5mm
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fork crown -
"most" crowns for round track blades are flat toppers
the semi-sloping design here together with the shape of the slot in the side make me suspect this one may be a BOCAMA pattern, it may have been manufactured with a hole for caliper brake mount (conjecture)
this Daniel Rebour rendering of Milremo crowns produced by BOCAMA illustrates similar semi-sloping patterns for oval blade:
there were a number of British builders who offered frames for pavement with round blade forks
two of the better known ones were Bob Jackson/JRJ/Merlin and Falcon
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Oh and now I think I regret selling off those lovely low flange/QR Airlites on Scheeren wood filled rims.....two front one too
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It is actually J Continental type (if described correctly) - exactly like this one on pic below
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did the Scheeren rims say "made in Belgium"?
it has been reported here on the forum that the Scheeren Weltmeister model rims were produced at the Weinmann facility in Belgium
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did the Scheeren rims say "made in Belgium"?
it has been reported here on the forum that the Scheeren Weltmeister model rims were produced at the Weinmann facility in Belgium
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Ah sorry, spell check did change description - They are Scherens, Weinmann rims....will amend above. They came as extra with the Hetchins I bought and sold on (was 2" to big for me, otherwise would keep it
), incidentally in the very similar orange colour.
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), incidentally in the very similar orange colour.
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be this machine's posterior arrestor?
VB gives a launch date for this model of 1950 -
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be this machine's posterior arrestor?
VB gives a launch date for this model of 1950 -
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be this machine's posterior arrestor?
VB gives a launch date for this model of 1950 -
Yes these is the one, I also checked Velobase site. So all in all it tells me my assumption may be correct in that the bike is most likely 1950s, Serial number 923 as year1959?
be this machine's posterior arrestor?
VB gives a launch date for this model of 1950 -
Yes these is the one, I also checked Velobase site. So all in all it tells me my assumption may be correct in that the bike is most likely 1950s, Serial number 923 as year1959?
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the 730 can be somewhat dated by the appearance of the outer caliper arm
if the face of the arm is smooth and rounded with the marking stamped in it is "early"
if the arm exhibits recesses into which the markings are stamped it is "late"
formerly knew a specific year for the change but me auld "braine" can today only estimate, ca. 1967
if off, a sharper mind shall put things right
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the 730 can be somewhat dated by the appearance of the outer caliper arm
if the face of the arm is smooth and rounded with the marking stamped in it is "early"
if the arm exhibits recesses into which the markings are stamped it is "late"
formerly knew a specific year for the change but me auld "braine" can today only estimate, ca. 1967
if off, a sharper mind shall put things right
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Update
Quick update on Davey - all cleaned up and re-greased, frameset polished and couple of coats of wax applied. Brake calipers were really spongy so picked up a set from my parts bin - Weinman 605 with levers ordered from eBay. The rear caliper angle perhaps shows that rear bridge was not originally drilled for braking? While awaiting for levers to arrive I fitted some city bars and cheap Michelin 28mm tan walls just to get it on the road. Really smooth and easy moving, 48/18 gearing suits it perfect for the flatlands here in Berkshire, UK; must admit those tyres as cheap they are performed very well indeed. Saddle is from 70s, made for Viscount, the original Unicanitor was just to hard to sit on without padded behind and as I want to be able just to jump on and ride...Since the photo below was taken I have also fitted new cable clamps and also black Bluemels to be able to use it over the winter. A recent hand surgery has put a stop to this for couple of month, so can't show you yet the latest set-up. Will convert back to drops once I can use tools.
Thanks for your interest.
Thanks for your interest.
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thanks so much for sharing this update!
really love the machine's livery
all best wishes for a speedy recovery from the forepaw surgery
praise be to the NHS.
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thanks so much for sharing this update!
really love the machine's livery
all best wishes for a speedy recovery from the forepaw surgery
praise be to the NHS.
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see that Dave's pillar hath changed, now appears to be a Nitor
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see that Dave's pillar hath changed, now appears to be a Nitor
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Beautiful bike, nicely kitted out. There's a lot to be said for a one speed with fenders (or even with mudguards) for winter riding. I'm glad I don't live in the UK or I'd go broke buying old bikes.
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