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Old 02-26-24, 04:22 PM
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I'm just surprised people still read the New York Slimes err, times lol. This article was a good example.
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Old 02-26-24, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris(NJ)
I'm just surprised people still read the New York Slimes err, times lol. This article was a good example.
What is your objection to the piece?
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Old 02-26-24, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris(NJ)
I'm just surprised people still read the New York Slimes err, times lol. This article was a good example.
Originally Posted by Koyote
What is your objection to the piece?
And the NYT in general? I find it to be one of the better sources of news.
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Old 02-26-24, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris(NJ)
I'm just surprised people still read the New York Slimes err, times lol. This article was a good example.
Your politics are showing - take to the P&R Forum.
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Old 02-27-24, 08:09 AM
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I trust the NYT more for an honest opinion on bicycles than a magazine in the business of keeping bicycle industry advertisers happy, and they were only making a general statement. And I agree with their conclusions - "high end" usually means lighter, but sometimes less durability. I certainly wouldn't go on a tour in a remote part of the world with a "stupid-light" bike with CF wheels containing fewer high-tension spokes, shifters that require special batteries, proprietary parts etc.

Nothing really wrong with Bicycling Magazine - they do a good job of reviewing things if you're in the market for it, but most of it is really in the "want" category for those of us who already have a nice bicycle that works.

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Old 02-27-24, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Camilo
And the NYT in general? I find it to be one of the better sources of news.
Maybe the crossword puzzle is too hard for him.
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Old 02-27-24, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Maybe the crossword puzzle is too hard for him.
Hysterical. Spoiler: A knot in the present? is a “bow”
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Old 02-27-24, 11:02 AM
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Remember when Sears use to adv their products as Good, Better, and Best.? Almost always the "better" was the best deal between cost and serviceablilty.
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Old 02-27-24, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Hysterical. Spoiler: A knot in the present? is a “bow”
If you play with matches, you can get burned.

I don’t bother with it early in the week. Too easy. I only do Wednesday because I get the paper for the Food section. Thursday-Sunday is my zone, although I missed last Sunday. I tried a weekend delivery plan several months back, but they had so much trouble delivering the paper. I canceled after 3 weekends. Out of 9 papers, only 2 were delivered on the days they were supposed to be delivered.
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Old 02-28-24, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris(NJ)
I'm just surprised people still read the New York Slimes err, times lol. This article was a good example.
Originally Posted by Koyote
What is your objection to the piece?
It's been a couple days, and no response. I'm guessing this means that he didn't read the article, but just wanted to slur the NYT.
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Old 03-06-24, 01:13 PM
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The writer provides no information that is useful. Better to have said that the value is with buying a used bike for a fraction of what it sold for when new. Smarter to buy a middle or upper range used carbon fiber bike than a new aluminum frame bike with cheaper components.

In terms of theft the better looking a bike the more likely it is to attract thieves. Friends who biked to the college campus would have a bike for that purpose with the front derailleur removed and the frame painted with some ugly color or flat black and using a cheap wheelset. A thief wants to be able to sell the bike as quickly as possible and does not want to invest in fixing it up.

In cities I never would leave a bike out of my sight and hope it would not get stolen. At a minimum I would invest $300 in a Hiplok D1000 and still have the bike in sight. I would still have a stripped bike that provided little of any value to a thief.
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Old 03-06-24, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Calsun
The writer provides no information that is useful. Better to have said that the value is with buying a used bike for a fraction of what it sold for when new. Smarter to buy a middle or upper range used carbon fiber bike than a new aluminum frame bike with cheaper components.

f.
Your average person reading Wirecutter for info on this is not going to know what to look for in a used bike.

And many people would rather buy a new bike from a shop with support.
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Old 03-09-24, 11:37 AM
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I've always liked the way Wirecutter cuts to the chase in their reviews, and they cut to the chase just fine here. Now that you can easily build a UCI-minimum bike with 105, the high-end groups exist mainly as bling. Even back in the day, the practical difference between top-tier and second tier stuff was mainly which bolts would crack first. FWIW I have stuff with Tourney that shifts just peachy after decades of use.
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Old 03-09-24, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Camilo
None are needed to have a top performing and/or really enjoyable fast bike.
Agreed. My 2015 Shiv has mechanical shifting, cable operated rim brakes and I have no idea why I could use a power meter, and I'm doing just fine. I am running tubeless on that bike, though. Mainly for puncture protection, not any kind of speed/efficiency benefit.
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Old 03-12-24, 10:00 AM
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I agree with the premise.
Buying good basic quality is important. For example an entry-level Trek is worth the money.
Buying less weight will only make a difference for maybe < 5% of us.

One anecdote from my own fleet:
I bought a Chinese eBike with the entry-level 7-speed Shimano thumb shifter. (heybike Ranger) Many folks turn their nose up at it, since it is entry-level. But it still has Shimano's basic quality and was smooth & reliable.

My next eBike, I bought had a nicer 8-speed trigger-shifting Shimano that they really talked-up. I prefer the cheaper one, because I can downshift all 7 gears at a time in one stroke of the thumb as I come up to a red light. (upshifts are still one at a time, but I can decelerate a lot quicker than I can accelerate, right?)

Another one: On my road bike, I have a nice Shimano brifter setup. Push the brake lever inwards to go to bigger sprockets, push the lever in to go to smaller ones. On my gravel bike, I have a cheaper Microshift arrangement with one protruding button for upshifts and one lever for downshifts. No sideways movement of the brake lever is needed, and I prefer the cheaper Microshift arrangement.

I think with shifting hardware, it's mostly down to weight and that tactile goodness of the higher end stuff. It just FEELS better; slick and refined. It's not functionally better.

Last one: I was out riding with a couple of buddies. I was on my humble Domane AL3. My one buddy was on an old Gary Fisher mountain bike set up as a road bike. (he's one of those older guys who's a lot stronger ride than he looks like he'd be) The other buddy was on his top of range Domane SLR9 with carbon everything. That guy got a flat and it was a ***** to pry the tire off the deep carbon rim. It took three of us at least 40 minutes to fix that flat. He was running lightweight, high-performance 25 mm racing tires, but he flatted with just two tiny little grains of glass that worked their way into the tread. My cheap & heavy 32 mm Bontrager Hardcase "Lite" tires would have shook that off no problem, and if I had flatted from it, it would have been quick & easy to fix.

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