Is bike shop giving me run around?
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I do not think so. I'm thinking that you probably haven't kept up on service.
I am thinking the your chain is toast, the cassette is toast and the chainrings are worn. The cost of new rings is probably more than a crank. The price of the chain and cassette a little high but not a gouge.
It could be that all was ok not to change, and all worked fine. Here you asked for the service and that they are performing. Changing the just the chain would lend the worn cassette to 'skip' most likely in the high gears.
Have some trust, the shop wants you happy and wants your return and word to spread about to your peers.
That said I do all my own build and service. Not out lack of trust, just as a youth I thought it was normal to do these things as an owner. Of course back then I didn't know English French Italian seatposts stems bars bb's. There are a couple of times I needed more specific things, like a tread chase on 60 years old bb, or Stronglight/French bb cup removal of the octagon driveside 37.5 mm +/-.
I found that Stronglight octagon cup to have 3 different measurements.
I am thinking the your chain is toast, the cassette is toast and the chainrings are worn. The cost of new rings is probably more than a crank. The price of the chain and cassette a little high but not a gouge.
It could be that all was ok not to change, and all worked fine. Here you asked for the service and that they are performing. Changing the just the chain would lend the worn cassette to 'skip' most likely in the high gears.
Have some trust, the shop wants you happy and wants your return and word to spread about to your peers.
That said I do all my own build and service. Not out lack of trust, just as a youth I thought it was normal to do these things as an owner. Of course back then I didn't know English French Italian seatposts stems bars bb's. There are a couple of times I needed more specific things, like a tread chase on 60 years old bb, or Stronglight/French bb cup removal of the octagon driveside 37.5 mm +/-.
I found that Stronglight octagon cup to have 3 different measurements.
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i'd imagine Chuck would install it if i asked nice...... he's a good kid... and he's learned to be a great mail delivery person too.... granted, we were a bit worried for the first year or so....i sold a bike to him for his college-bound daughter... and tuned his wife's cruiser bike too.
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Try working in healthcare. You would be surprised at how little one's decade of training is valued. Besides, Dr. Google knows everything now.
For the OP, I think I have a certain amount of sympathy for folks who just don't want to wrench their own stuff, but want a fair diagnosis. Being ancient, I had to learn to fix cars, lawnmowers, appliances, bikes, you name it. Poor doesn't allow for purchased skills in many cases. Lots of failures but lots of learning too. We had a Schwinn shop in Spokane that we used. The owner was the nicest guy on the planet. If you couldn't figure something out, he would help explain how to do a repair. If you still couldn't do it, you paid him graciously. We loved that shop.
Now, here in Seattle, bikes are the new fetish. Cool, I think it's great. A baby boomer from the bike boom days, I am thrilled to see so many folks riding again. But of course, with that comes the "car dealer" ethic of shops in some cases. Dealers know how to load a bill. Some bike shops the same. It takes some time to find the right shop to deal with. When you find them, stay loyal and buy stuff from them. And as for the forum here, many of us like or are used to wrenching (save for occasional cursing). It's good if people note up front what their skill level is or interest level is in wrenching. And perfectly fair to ask if something sounds fishy. Like the car shops that said my rotors could not be turned on my car. BS. A cheap Harbor Freight micrometer told me otherwise.
For the OP, I think I have a certain amount of sympathy for folks who just don't want to wrench their own stuff, but want a fair diagnosis. Being ancient, I had to learn to fix cars, lawnmowers, appliances, bikes, you name it. Poor doesn't allow for purchased skills in many cases. Lots of failures but lots of learning too. We had a Schwinn shop in Spokane that we used. The owner was the nicest guy on the planet. If you couldn't figure something out, he would help explain how to do a repair. If you still couldn't do it, you paid him graciously. We loved that shop.
Now, here in Seattle, bikes are the new fetish. Cool, I think it's great. A baby boomer from the bike boom days, I am thrilled to see so many folks riding again. But of course, with that comes the "car dealer" ethic of shops in some cases. Dealers know how to load a bill. Some bike shops the same. It takes some time to find the right shop to deal with. When you find them, stay loyal and buy stuff from them. And as for the forum here, many of us like or are used to wrenching (save for occasional cursing). It's good if people note up front what their skill level is or interest level is in wrenching. And perfectly fair to ask if something sounds fishy. Like the car shops that said my rotors could not be turned on my car. BS. A cheap Harbor Freight micrometer told me otherwise.
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The estimate they gave me is:
TUNE UP - Advanced - $129.99
SRAM PG-730 Cassette - 7 Speed, 12-32t, Silver - $39.99
Chain pc-830 6,7,8 speed - $24.99
3 x 7 Crankset - $59.99
The Advanced Tune Up includes front and rear brake adjustments, front and rear derailleur adjustments, oiling, alignment, air, complete cleaning, head set adjustment, bottom bracket adjustment, hub adjustment, remove drivetrain (cranks derailleur, chain, cassette, and clean thoroughly).
As for how many miles? It is around 45,000 miles. The rear cassette I know has been replaced at least twice, but to my best recollection the front crank and chain rings are still original.
TUNE UP - Advanced - $129.99
SRAM PG-730 Cassette - 7 Speed, 12-32t, Silver - $39.99
Chain pc-830 6,7,8 speed - $24.99
3 x 7 Crankset - $59.99
The Advanced Tune Up includes front and rear brake adjustments, front and rear derailleur adjustments, oiling, alignment, air, complete cleaning, head set adjustment, bottom bracket adjustment, hub adjustment, remove drivetrain (cranks derailleur, chain, cassette, and clean thoroughly).
As for how many miles? It is around 45,000 miles. The rear cassette I know has been replaced at least twice, but to my best recollection the front crank and chain rings are still original.
If you want to speed things up, have a discussion with the mechanic about the crank— whether truly necessary, if it can wait, or if just one or more chainrings can be swapped instead. It doesn’t sound like they’re trying to scam you.
Remember, a good bike shop will stand behind their work, and perform any needed adjustments after a you’ve ridden the bike for bit.
Good luck!
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UPDATE!! After all the input here, which I greatly appreciated, I called the shop again. Still no success with locating the crankset. I told them to just put it back together and I would pick it up. Which I did. Glad I didn't have to pay anything, but they didn't really do anything so there is that. A couple days later I took it to a local Trek bike shop. By this point I was also considering a new bike. I went in and explained that I would like an estimate on the tuneup and whatever else they thought I would need. In addition to the tuneup they suggested a new chain and cassette. I asked what about the crankset. He looked it over again and said there seemed to be a lot of life left in the middle chain ring which is where I do most of my riding. So, it seems like the original bike shop was giving me the run around or had a different view of what is too worn.
On my way out of the store I stopped and talked to the manager. And bottom line, I ended up getting a new bike. My new bike is a Trek Domane AL 5. A couple of rides with it and I wish I had gotten a new bike years ago.
On my way out of the store I stopped and talked to the manager. And bottom line, I ended up getting a new bike. My new bike is a Trek Domane AL 5. A couple of rides with it and I wish I had gotten a new bike years ago.
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No one was giving you the runaround.
Bring the same bike to 10 different shops, and you'll get 10 different points of views with 10 different opinions on what should be done.
You had the option to get more opinions from other shops. If you don't do it, that's your problem.
Again, bottom line is that shops like to make money and make lots of it. A shop that values their time won't give much effort into something that will occupy their time with little profit.
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Please stop it already.
No one was giving you the runaround.
Bring the same bike to 10 different shops, and you'll get 10 different points of views with 10 different opinions on what should be done.
You had the option to get more opinions from other shops. If you don't do it, that's your problem.
Again, bottom line is that shops like to make money and make lots of it. A shop that values their time won't give much effort into something that will occupy their time with little profit.
No one was giving you the runaround.
Bring the same bike to 10 different shops, and you'll get 10 different points of views with 10 different opinions on what should be done.
You had the option to get more opinions from other shops. If you don't do it, that's your problem.
Again, bottom line is that shops like to make money and make lots of it. A shop that values their time won't give much effort into something that will occupy their time with little profit.
Do you work there?
PS.. the Shop that did well is the one that took time that they couldn't bill for to give a better estimate, then took the time to be nice... and then sold a Trek Domane to a new customer.
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I haven't taken a bike into a shop for work in probably 40 years, but have to say the prices your shop is asking don't seem out of line. It is expensive running a business. Someone has to pay for all that "free" stuff people keep demanding from the government.
I don't understand some of the comments about wearing out chainrings. I've worn out countless chainrings, and I'm good about monitoring chain wear (not everyone is). Veganbikes is right, sometimes it is cheaper to replace the whole crank than the chainrings. Also consider shop labor replacing the rings vs. a whole crank assembly. They might have a good reason for doing things the way they did.
I don't understand some of the comments about wearing out chainrings. I've worn out countless chainrings, and I'm good about monitoring chain wear (not everyone is). Veganbikes is right, sometimes it is cheaper to replace the whole crank than the chainrings. Also consider shop labor replacing the rings vs. a whole crank assembly. They might have a good reason for doing things the way they did.
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There is a lot of varying opinion about what constitutes a worn out chainring. I wouldn't be so quick to declare who is a hack an who is competent.
The OP's problem is really that RSX was this weird road microdrive group, and was never really supported or duplicated. It is best replaced with more typical cranks and cassettes.
However, I would bet that if the OP had used the forum to try to find a replacement chainring, he might have been successful.
The OP's problem is really that RSX was this weird road microdrive group, and was never really supported or duplicated. It is best replaced with more typical cranks and cassettes.
However, I would bet that if the OP had used the forum to try to find a replacement chainring, he might have been successful.
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There is a lot of varying opinion about what constitutes a worn out chainring. I wouldn't be so quick to declare who is a hack an who is competent.
The OP's problem is really that RSX was this weird road microdrive group, and was never really supported or duplicated. It is best replaced with more typical cranks and cassettes.
However, I would bet that if the OP had used the forum to try to find a replacement chainring, he might have been successful.
The OP's problem is really that RSX was this weird road microdrive group, and was never really supported or duplicated. It is best replaced with more typical cranks and cassettes.
However, I would bet that if the OP had used the forum to try to find a replacement chainring, he might have been successful.
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You're looking at the wrong RSX crankset. The OP says it has a 36T mid ring so this is the earlier FC-A413 with a 110mm BCD, no 36T possible on 130mm.
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.... asked what about the crankset. He looked it over again and said there seemed to be a lot of life left in the middle chain ring which is where I do most of my riding. So, it seems like the original bike shop was giving me the run around or had a different view of what is too worn.....