My First Help Me ID a Peugeot Thread
11-15-21, 10:05 PM
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My First Help Me ID a Peugeot Thread
I looked through the other ID threads and also the BBP brochures and found nothing like this. The tourers I’ve seen did not have these more delicate lugs and I don’t recognize the tubing decal. Tourer brazeons, but not too long in the back might make for a sporty ride and the cantis for fender clearance with 32s or more. Intended for vintage lugged rando commuter, CX racer. ($120 seems fare for a rare canti Peugeot?)
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11-15-21, 10:33 PM
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I think it looks like one of the late 80's HLE frames, which was their term for their internally-brazed steel technique. If I'm right, then it's not high end, but plenty of people love their HLE frames as excellent riders.
11-16-21, 04:54 AM
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Judging (in my very novice way) by the decals, 1986-87 lugged fun. Maybe one of the pre-hybrid, hybrids (before they were internally brazed like my own Slimestone?)
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11-16-21, 05:20 AM
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Peugeot HLE Tubing
It was lighter than Peugeot's Carbolite 103 which was plain carbon "gas pipe" steel tubing but heavier than Reynolds 501 or Vitus tubes. HLE was used on mid price range models.
Most of the HLE Peugeots that I've seen pictured had lugless, internally brazed frames. Peugeot, Motobecane and Gitane started using this technique in the early 80's to compete against Asian made bikes that were taking over the European mid range bike market. It was a lot cheaper to make a frame this way than with lugs.
The French bike makers claimed that it was new and magical but the process had been used for decades to produce inexpensive products made of tubing like furniture. Even some cheap US made department store bikes had frames made this way. I've only heard of a few frame failures on French bikes made this way and folks who have bikes with these frames rave about them.
Me? I'm a belt and suspenders (braces in the UK) kind a guy! Give me a lugged frame any day!
The Peugeot bike Classtime posted is some kind of lugged touring or pseudo cyclocross model that I've never seen before.
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The subject bicycle is a Canadian market Peugeot Alpin, circa 1988. Serial number?
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HLE was the name peugeot gave to their "micro-alloyed" steel tubing rather than a construction method - lugged or lugless.
It was lighter than Peugeot's Carbolite 103 which was plain carbon "gas pipe" steel tubing but heavier than Reynolds 501 or Vitus tubes. HLE was used on mid price range models.
Most of the HLE Peugeots that I've seen pictured had lugless, internally brazed frames. Peugeot, Motobecane and Gitane started using this technique in the early 80's to compete against Asian made bikes that were taking over the European mid range bike market. It was a lot cheaper to make a frame this way than with lugs.
The French bike makers claimed that it was new and magical but the process had been used for decades to produce inexpensive products made of tubing like furniture. Even some cheap US made department store bikes had frames made this way. I've only heard of a few frame failures on French bikes made this way and folks who have bikes with these frames rave about them.
Me? I'm a belt and suspenders (braces in the UK) kind a guy! Give me a lugged frame any day!
The Peugeot bike Classtime posted is some kind of lugged touring or pseudo cyclocross model that I've never seen before.
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It was lighter than Peugeot's Carbolite 103 which was plain carbon "gas pipe" steel tubing but heavier than Reynolds 501 or Vitus tubes. HLE was used on mid price range models.
Most of the HLE Peugeots that I've seen pictured had lugless, internally brazed frames. Peugeot, Motobecane and Gitane started using this technique in the early 80's to compete against Asian made bikes that were taking over the European mid range bike market. It was a lot cheaper to make a frame this way than with lugs.
The French bike makers claimed that it was new and magical but the process had been used for decades to produce inexpensive products made of tubing like furniture. Even some cheap US made department store bikes had frames made this way. I've only heard of a few frame failures on French bikes made this way and folks who have bikes with these frames rave about them.
Me? I'm a belt and suspenders (braces in the UK) kind a guy! Give me a lugged frame any day!
The Peugeot bike Classtime posted is some kind of lugged touring or pseudo cyclocross model that I've never seen before.
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https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...20Brochure.htm
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...0,%20PXR80.jpg
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11-16-21, 06:36 AM
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Maybe a 1987-89 PXR-80 type for another market? Just before the lug-less hybrids came out for a few years.
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...20Brochure.htm
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...0,%20PXR80.jpg
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...20Brochure.htm
https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...0,%20PXR80.jpg
1986 Peugeot PXR80 by John Jones, on Flickr
11-16-21, 07:49 AM
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Thanks. Yep. Canadian Procycle built Peugeot ALPIN. Made with Ishiwata EX triple butted 4130. I can only find pics of a later model with slightly different lugs in blue.
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