Outdoor water fountains (the lack thereof)
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I do. NYC and its suburbs to the north have some of the best quality and tasting tap water in the country (one of the few positive things one can point to about the area...). Very few people have water delivered to their homes, for example, in contrast to when I lived out in the San Jose, CA area several years ago.
That's part of why the lack of drinking fountains is puzzling, as it's not as if no one would want to drink the tap water that came out of them.
That's part of why the lack of drinking fountains is puzzling, as it's not as if no one would want to drink the tap water that came out of them.
At least many of the ones in NYC itself are now turned on.
I get the sense they take a lot of maintenance and get turned off and drained over the winter - one along a trail in CT that was dry when I stopped to try it in June looked like it was working last week, but had just done the usual move of buying a jug at a grocery store so did not stop to investigate.
I've kind of grown used to having to buy water, but hate then throwing out the jug.
Yesterday walked by a restaurant in NYC that in the heat wave had put out a cooler of tiny little water bottles with a sign inviting anyone feeling overwhelmed to take one for free. Nice idea, except for the waste plastic, saw at least one tossed at the base of a sidewalk tree.
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Yep, and it's particularly annoying to me. Live in a rural area and about 2 years ago a park commision was forced on us and we started being taxed for several parks in the valley. Now when I had kids in sports our fees took care of the parks. Once my kids grew up I did not use the parks at all but now have to pay for them. I did realize about two years ago that I could use them for refilling waterbottles at least on my long rides. Then last year one park removed the water fountain. This year another was had it's fountain turned off all year. So annoying in my book and I'm still angry about being taxed to subsidize others recreation.
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What about the etiquette of filling your water bottle at a store's soda machine? It's considered a faux pas by my riding group, though I see folks do it occasionally. I think a store operator once told us it was unsanitary. Maybe he had encountered cyclists who didn't take off their gloves, don't know. Do people take ice as well? Ask first? Offer to pay? I don't like plastic bottles but it also feels wrong to take something that the store has for sale. Thoughts?
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All day, every day. I ride through a cemetery during my last leg on the way home. Lot's of water spigots. I refill there after watering the flowers from my bottle at my parents grave. If I'm running short before that. The local golf course snack building has everything.
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Some of the local cycling clubs and others have funded purchasing and installing fountains here. Probably works better than trying to get a bunch of elected board members in agreement for such.
Don't know if the local water utility provides the connection and water for free or if someone pays for it.
Don't know if the local water utility provides the connection and water for free or if someone pays for it.
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It sure is true in the broad area I ride in. Then half of the time if you do find a fountain and you want refill water bottle(s) some major jerk has stuffed something into the spout of the fountain so the water sprays out or only barely comes out and you can't get enough stream to get water into the bottle.
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I have found that homeowners are generally willing to let one fill a bottle at a hose bib, especially if it’s hot and you look like you might die right there on their driveway and make them late for something.
When I was running, I made specific water access arrangements for long workouts with several kind people.
When I was running, I made specific water access arrangements for long workouts with several kind people.
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We paid park fee, uniform and equipment fees, and even the ref fees. I had no issue with that at all.
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For years I would stop at a spring. It was a wonderful stop until it was labelled unsafe. The infrastructure that has led to a proliferation of lead in public school fountains is also the same vintage as many public fountains. We all have memories of our favorite fountains though and I mourn their passing. I loathe bottled water and people do not give it another thought as they open yet another.
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I have found that homeowners are generally willing to let one fill a bottle at a hose bib, especially if it’s hot and you look like you might die right there on their driveway and make them late for something.
When I was running, I made specific water access arrangements for long workouts with several kind people.
When I was running, I made specific water access arrangements for long workouts with several kind people.
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Has anyone else noticed that outdoor water fountains (as in the things you drink from, not the ones you throw a coin into) seem to be a dying breed these days? The 3 or 4 schools I ride by regularly seem to have none, nor does the local college (SUNY Purchase, just north of NYC). The schools my kids attended also have none now, even though these same schools had outdoor fountains maybe 10 years ago.
Is this an actual trend? If so, what's the rationale for removing outdoor water fountains? It sure makes it a PITA to refill water bottles.
Is this an actual trend? If so, what's the rationale for removing outdoor water fountains? It sure makes it a PITA to refill water bottles.
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Rural Wisconsin parks are great - there is almost always a working water fountain (or bubbler, for natives) in small-town parks, and quite a few even have flush toilets!
The rural Lion's Clubs have also stepped up the drinking fountain game. One of my personal challenges has been to find all the Lion Fountains - I've got around a dozen or so.
The rural Lion's Clubs have also stepped up the drinking fountain game. One of my personal challenges has been to find all the Lion Fountains - I've got around a dozen or so.
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The state park I frequently ride through used to have an outdoor drinking fountain at the beach house, which was convenient for me. A couple years ago, it was removed. No idea why. Not a big problem, because the park office just down the road installed a bottle filling station with chilled, filtered water, so I just stopped there instead of the beach house.
Well, yesterday we had an intense "super-cell" thunderstorm go through, which took out power for thousands of people, including the state park. They had a generator running at the park office, but the bottle filling station wasn't hooked up, so no chilled, filtered water for me. But while I was there, I asked if the bathroom sink water at the beach house was potable, which I hadn't tried because I wondered if the drinking fountain had been disconnected because of contamination issues. No, the ranger told me, it was because it had been a recurrent target of vandalism and they got tired of fixing it. That's why we can't have nice things.
Well, yesterday we had an intense "super-cell" thunderstorm go through, which took out power for thousands of people, including the state park. They had a generator running at the park office, but the bottle filling station wasn't hooked up, so no chilled, filtered water for me. But while I was there, I asked if the bathroom sink water at the beach house was potable, which I hadn't tried because I wondered if the drinking fountain had been disconnected because of contamination issues. No, the ranger told me, it was because it had been a recurrent target of vandalism and they got tired of fixing it. That's why we can't have nice things.
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My problem is low water pressure. Sometimes only a trickle comes out and my bottle will not dip low enough to fill. I wear a camelbac now. Problem solved. 100 ounces.
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I think local businesses are against water fountains so it forces runners, cyclists, thirsty tourists into stores to buy overpriced bottled water.
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Part of the availability of drinking fountains may be affected by climate, particularly where plumbing is vulnerable to freezing damage. If it's like most parks and recreational area budgets, improvements move very slowly.
We're fortunate around the Fort Worth area. There's at least tepid water available in several places along the popular Trinity Trails and adjacent cycling paths. Several private businesses, bars and churches provide water and even repair stations. Most brewpubs I hang out at have a tap for "extra-lite beer (water)" or a cooler full of water. They can move a lot quicker than gummint, and it helps earn the loyalty of cycling customers. We often schedule our casual and social group rides around stops at those businesses that welcome cyclists.
So I can usually get away with toting one bottle on city rides, or the 5 mile training circuit that's only a mile from my home. If I'm doing laps, I can always go back home for a refill after three laps. There's always either a fountain, water dispensers or a convenience store within a mile or two. I drink lukewarm tap water at home so the temperature doesn't bother me. The only time I prefer cold water is after a hard workout, but not necessarily after every ride in summer heat.
I suspect some folks who prefer the flatter, faster routes along the Trinity river don't carry water at all on certain Strava segments because they can stop at the church or Mellow Johnny's for water, the water fountains along the trail, or the Y at the end of the line in Benbrook near the lake.
And it's a reasonably cycle friendly area, with lots of folks riding in rural areas too. It's not unusual now to clomp into pretty much any convenience store, fast food joint or even homestyle food restaurant wearing clipless shoes and Lycra. Interesting changes from the Texas I grew up in.
I do pre-freeze water with electrolytes in my Polar insulated bottle, about half full of frozen slush, the other half topped off with water. I can refill it a couple of times and it'll still be cool during a ride.
For longer rural rides I usually carry two or more bottles. On seriously hot days I'll tote a stainless double insulated thermos that accepts standard water bottle tops. Pre-frozen electrolyte solution will stay frozen for up to 12 hours in summer heat. It's heavy but worth the weight on those 50+ mile summer rides.
I also have a Mylar pouch that holds about a pint. I'll freeze it too and stick it in my middle back jersey pocket. Saved my bacon a time or two on long hot rides when I misjudged the distance to the next convenience store.
So far the only time I've run out of water on a rural ride, I stopped to ask some folks at a disc golf course if there was a water fountain around. They just gave me a bottle of water. Got me to the next convenience store a few miles away. That's when I started carrying that Mylar pouch of frozen electrolyte/water as a backup.
This summer I've noticed some older folks like myself misjudging their hydration, despite years of experience. I suspect they're mostly misjudging the effects of aging. And this July isn't quite as hot as last year. Last July we had several consecutive 100+F days. This July has mostly been mid to high 90s, and pretty humid. It almost feels cool when we're moving due to the cooling effect of humid air and wind. But it can fool us into drinking less than we need. I got a little dehydrated Sunday a week ago on a 55 mile ride, and it suddenly caught up with me right at the 50 mile mark. I realized I hadn't even finished my two 24 oz bottles, although I did drink a big cup of iced coffee during a pit stop. I was pretty wiped out the next day, but was fine by Tuesday. After that I started drinking whether I felt thirsty or not. Worked great, felt fine during and after 50+ mile rides in the heat on Tuesday and Thursday club rides.
I also carry spare packets of DripDrop electrolytes in little single serving Mylar packets. Helped revive one fellow who was on the verge of heat exhaustion a couple of weeks ago, and a woman last week who fainted and vomited clear water. She'd just switched to NUUN which, in my opinion, doesn't have enough sugar to help rapidly absorb water. Hard to convince some folks who are calorie conscious, but most of us re-hydrate better after being overheated when there's a little sugar or honey in our water/electrolytes. Doesn't need to be as sweet as Gatorade or other sports drinks. But that zero calorie stuff or artificial sweeteners just doesn't work as well for many of us. DripDrop is a bit pricey, although no more so than NUUN, and handier to carry. I always tote a few extra packets in my saddle bag, jersey pocket, etc., both for myself and anyone who's suffering heat exhaustion.
We're fortunate around the Fort Worth area. There's at least tepid water available in several places along the popular Trinity Trails and adjacent cycling paths. Several private businesses, bars and churches provide water and even repair stations. Most brewpubs I hang out at have a tap for "extra-lite beer (water)" or a cooler full of water. They can move a lot quicker than gummint, and it helps earn the loyalty of cycling customers. We often schedule our casual and social group rides around stops at those businesses that welcome cyclists.
So I can usually get away with toting one bottle on city rides, or the 5 mile training circuit that's only a mile from my home. If I'm doing laps, I can always go back home for a refill after three laps. There's always either a fountain, water dispensers or a convenience store within a mile or two. I drink lukewarm tap water at home so the temperature doesn't bother me. The only time I prefer cold water is after a hard workout, but not necessarily after every ride in summer heat.
I suspect some folks who prefer the flatter, faster routes along the Trinity river don't carry water at all on certain Strava segments because they can stop at the church or Mellow Johnny's for water, the water fountains along the trail, or the Y at the end of the line in Benbrook near the lake.
And it's a reasonably cycle friendly area, with lots of folks riding in rural areas too. It's not unusual now to clomp into pretty much any convenience store, fast food joint or even homestyle food restaurant wearing clipless shoes and Lycra. Interesting changes from the Texas I grew up in.
I do pre-freeze water with electrolytes in my Polar insulated bottle, about half full of frozen slush, the other half topped off with water. I can refill it a couple of times and it'll still be cool during a ride.
For longer rural rides I usually carry two or more bottles. On seriously hot days I'll tote a stainless double insulated thermos that accepts standard water bottle tops. Pre-frozen electrolyte solution will stay frozen for up to 12 hours in summer heat. It's heavy but worth the weight on those 50+ mile summer rides.
I also have a Mylar pouch that holds about a pint. I'll freeze it too and stick it in my middle back jersey pocket. Saved my bacon a time or two on long hot rides when I misjudged the distance to the next convenience store.
So far the only time I've run out of water on a rural ride, I stopped to ask some folks at a disc golf course if there was a water fountain around. They just gave me a bottle of water. Got me to the next convenience store a few miles away. That's when I started carrying that Mylar pouch of frozen electrolyte/water as a backup.
This summer I've noticed some older folks like myself misjudging their hydration, despite years of experience. I suspect they're mostly misjudging the effects of aging. And this July isn't quite as hot as last year. Last July we had several consecutive 100+F days. This July has mostly been mid to high 90s, and pretty humid. It almost feels cool when we're moving due to the cooling effect of humid air and wind. But it can fool us into drinking less than we need. I got a little dehydrated Sunday a week ago on a 55 mile ride, and it suddenly caught up with me right at the 50 mile mark. I realized I hadn't even finished my two 24 oz bottles, although I did drink a big cup of iced coffee during a pit stop. I was pretty wiped out the next day, but was fine by Tuesday. After that I started drinking whether I felt thirsty or not. Worked great, felt fine during and after 50+ mile rides in the heat on Tuesday and Thursday club rides.
I also carry spare packets of DripDrop electrolytes in little single serving Mylar packets. Helped revive one fellow who was on the verge of heat exhaustion a couple of weeks ago, and a woman last week who fainted and vomited clear water. She'd just switched to NUUN which, in my opinion, doesn't have enough sugar to help rapidly absorb water. Hard to convince some folks who are calorie conscious, but most of us re-hydrate better after being overheated when there's a little sugar or honey in our water/electrolytes. Doesn't need to be as sweet as Gatorade or other sports drinks. But that zero calorie stuff or artificial sweeteners just doesn't work as well for many of us. DripDrop is a bit pricey, although no more so than NUUN, and handier to carry. I always tote a few extra packets in my saddle bag, jersey pocket, etc., both for myself and anyone who's suffering heat exhaustion.
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Rural Wisconsin parks are great - there is almost always a working water fountain (or bubbler, for natives) in small-town parks, and quite a few even have flush toilets!
The rural Lion's Clubs have also stepped up the drinking fountain game. One of my personal challenges has been to find all the Lion Fountains - I've got around a dozen or so.
The rural Lion's Clubs have also stepped up the drinking fountain game. One of my personal challenges has been to find all the Lion Fountains - I've got around a dozen or so.
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In the city where I ride there are plenty of drinking fountains. I have not seen a decrease in number. Maybe this is because it is FL and can be very important to hydrant during the summer. I have recently been riding in a forest area. There is really no infrastructure there. I've been taking three water bottles on rides.
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I know, it seems like an imposition, but churning through the bottles is too, just less visibly, and it's an example of the sort of incumbent behavior that needs to change.
I've also been impressed by things like train stations and (in the one recent experience) airports now offering bottle filling stations; dump out your bottle, go through security with it empty to fit the rules, fill it right back up again on the far side. In limited cases we're starting to figure it out.
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None, no park commission when my kids were in sports. Our fees covered the parks. This is new as I said in my original post. Of course a lot of the local kids leagues aren't active anymore since kids rather veg out playing worthless video games rather than get an actual workout. Hence probably why they started taxing all of us.
We paid park fee, uniform and equipment fees, and even the ref fees. I had no issue with that at all.
We paid park fee, uniform and equipment fees, and even the ref fees. I had no issue with that at all.
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There is a much beloved c-store chain in my area called Wawa. Not only can you get free ice and water from their beverage dispensing machine, they will even give you a free cup if you need one.
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