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I did notice something that may support the idea that the fork is a replacement (but for what reason I don't know - certainly not because of a crash or there'd be some evidence on the frame): the bit of a gap between the headset lock nut and the spacer. Either a different headset with a taller stack height was originally used, or this fork is a replacement and a few millimeters longer than the original one. But again, pure speculation.
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I did notice something that may support the idea that the fork is a replacement (but for what reason I don't know - certainly not because of a crash or there'd be some evidence on the frame): the bit of a gap between the headset lock nut and the spacer. Either a different headset with a taller stack height was originally used, or this fork is a replacement and a few millimeters longer than the original one. But again, pure speculation.
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Doh, yes - the fork was removed for photos! That explains that
OP: nice stem, too - love that 3ttt version with the Olympic Rings badge.
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OP: nice stem, too - love that 3ttt version with the Olympic Rings badge.
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The clear solution to this being a tad too tall: get your legs stretched!
I think there may be a timeframe gap between when frame was built (looks just like my earlier than '86 "Cyclone Super Record Export", built with Ishiwata 024, yes 24 not 22 and also has over-BB cable routing) and when that Ishiwata fork MIGHT have been built. But not necessarily done post-market...could be what the customer paid for. This certainly shows some pretty "unconventional" choices for components and other fittings (Foam grips?!?)
To my limited knowledge the frame seems like it SHOULD have had the more conventional (as in with forged offset crown and blades) not this slightly "aero/Unicrownish style" chrome fork.
But that's purely IMO and best taken with a grain of salt.
I think there may be a timeframe gap between when frame was built (looks just like my earlier than '86 "Cyclone Super Record Export", built with Ishiwata 024, yes 24 not 22 and also has over-BB cable routing) and when that Ishiwata fork MIGHT have been built. But not necessarily done post-market...could be what the customer paid for. This certainly shows some pretty "unconventional" choices for components and other fittings (Foam grips?!?)
To my limited knowledge the frame seems like it SHOULD have had the more conventional (as in with forged offset crown and blades) not this slightly "aero/Unicrownish style" chrome fork.
But that's purely IMO and best taken with a grain of salt.
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RIGHT?! So weird to me.
Andy Muzi agrees with you. He said if it was the original factory choice it should have the serial number stamped on the steer tube, which it does not. It *is* period correct, and much like other unicrown forks available, but it was not put together at the 3Rensho factory (probably).
Andy Muzi agrees with you. He said if it was the original factory choice it should have the serial number stamped on the steer tube, which it does not. It *is* period correct, and much like other unicrown forks available, but it was not put together at the 3Rensho factory (probably).
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Definitely no clear coat, and the paint seems quite thin judging by the crisp edges and definition of the lugs.
Yeah, I keep looking for signs of wear and other than some rub from the cables, I'm not really finding any. The brake pad arms have no marks from the brake pad washers, the cable guides have little to no wear on the paint, the hoods have no wear on the rubber, the crank arms have no wear from pedaling. One pedal has a tiny patch of wear on the inner side, but no scrapes on the toe clips, no marks on the brushed aluminum pedal surfaces, etc...
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Yeah, I keep looking for signs of wear and other than some rub from the cables, I'm not really finding any. The brake pad arms have no marks from the brake pad washers, the cable guides have little to no wear on the paint, the hoods have no wear on the rubber, the crank arms have no wear from pedaling. One pedal has a tiny patch of wear on the inner side, but no scrapes on the toe clips, no marks on the brushed aluminum pedal surfaces, etc...
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But yeah, I feel like you that it's kind of a waste to have a bicycle and not ride it.
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I posted this and the other one the first time it was listed. Guessing someone reneged on their bid so it was relisted.
Congrats on your purchase. I thought it was local pickup only and didn't know they'd allow 3rd party pickups, so good on you for arranging pick up and shipping. Nice to see it worked out
Congrats on your purchase. I thought it was local pickup only and didn't know they'd allow 3rd party pickups, so good on you for arranging pick up and shipping. Nice to see it worked out
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WOW!
That really is a beauty, to me it looks as though it was hardly ever ridden!.......How did it arrive undamaged with the "great" packing done by the GW folks, did they ship it with the wheels on?
I would have bid on the green one if I felt it would have survived shipping.
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That really is a beauty, to me it looks as though it was hardly ever ridden!.......How did it arrive undamaged with the "great" packing done by the GW folks, did they ship it with the wheels on?
I would have bid on the green one if I felt it would have survived shipping.
Best, Ben
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I posted this and the other one the first time it was listed. Guessing someone reneged on their bid so it was relisted.
Congrats on your purchase. I thought it was local pickup only and didn't know they'd allow 3rd party pickups, so good on you for arranging pick up and shipping. Nice to see it worked out
Congrats on your purchase. I thought it was local pickup only and didn't know they'd allow 3rd party pickups, so good on you for arranging pick up and shipping. Nice to see it worked out
WOW!
That really is a beauty, to me it looks as though it was hardly ever ridden!.......How did it arrive undamaged with the "great" packing done by the GW folks, did they ship it with the wheels on?
I would have bid on the green one if I felt it would have survived shipping.
Best, Ben
That really is a beauty, to me it looks as though it was hardly ever ridden!.......How did it arrive undamaged with the "great" packing done by the GW folks, did they ship it with the wheels on?
I would have bid on the green one if I felt it would have survived shipping.
Best, Ben
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Like I said.....
The clear solution to this being a tad too tall: get your legs stretched!
I think there may be a timeframe gap between when frame was built (looks just like my earlier than '86 "Cyclone Super Record Export", built with Ishiwata 024, yes 24 not 22 and also has over-BB cable routing) and when that Ishiwata fork MIGHT have been built. But not necessarily done post-market
To my limited knowledge the frame seems like it SHOULD have had the more conventional (as in with forged offset crown and blades) not this slightly "aero/Unicrownish style" chrome fork.
But that's purely IMO and best taken with a grain of salt.
I think there may be a timeframe gap between when frame was built (looks just like my earlier than '86 "Cyclone Super Record Export", built with Ishiwata 024, yes 24 not 22 and also has over-BB cable routing) and when that Ishiwata fork MIGHT have been built. But not necessarily done post-market
To my limited knowledge the frame seems like it SHOULD have had the more conventional (as in with forged offset crown and blades) not this slightly "aero/Unicrownish style" chrome fork.
But that's purely IMO and best taken with a grain of salt.
RIGHT?! So weird to me.
Andy Muzi agrees with you. He said if it was the original factory choice it should have the serial number stamped on the steer tube, which it does not. It *is* period correct, and much like other unicrown forks available, but it was not put together at the 3Rensho factory (probably).
Andy Muzi agrees with you. He said if it was the original factory choice it should have the serial number stamped on the steer tube, which it does not. It *is* period correct, and much like other unicrown forks available, but it was not put together at the 3Rensho factory (probably).
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i have a friend who lives in Spokane, so I called the goodwill and asked if it was ok if he picked it up for me. He took it to Wheel Sport South and they packed it up in one of their bike boxes with the front wheel off, pedals, stem and seat/seat post removed and a generous amount of styrofoam wrap. My wife took a video of the unboxing, but I haven’t posted it anywhere yet.
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So I got it set up based on my measurements of my other road bike and, tell me honestly: that seat height looks goofy doesn’t it?
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If that's what it takes, its fine, I would ride the heck out of it like that.
I have plenty that are just the opposite with at least two fists showing.
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Daaaamn, merziac. I bet you don’t get lost in a crowd. That’s an impressive collection of some very very tall bikes.
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I'm all about saddle to bar distance, once the saddle height is properly set.
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Here are the ones that got me to quit buying 58-62ish unless really special.
At 6 feet, I have 38in. inseam so all legs and ideally ride 64-66 and had always made smaller ones work with lots of SP and the bars jacked way up.
These two are 65-66 and ride much better on long harder rides. The Strawberry above is a new custom build that was a compromise being the forever bike that will take me to the end of the line so its a tall 64ish and was a combination of the silver 66 Merz and a 60 Bruce Gordon I have that rides fantastic for me despite being smallish.
The Strawberry rides phenomenally thanx to Dave Levy at TiCycles, I truly believe he is one of the very best in the business still building today.
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I started the day with freezing my hands while washing my bike when it was 39 degrees outside. I finish the day freezing my hands in my shop doing some very minor paint correction to make the bike look it's very best. It was a good day.
Y'all have convinced me, I need to ride it for a bit and see if I like the fit. I'm still tempted to strip all the components off of it and build it with stuff that actually has wear, but I'm impatient to see how it rides. I doubt I can wait for a used 105 group from ebay before I take this to the roads.
Y'all have convinced me, I need to ride it for a bit and see if I like the fit. I'm still tempted to strip all the components off of it and build it with stuff that actually has wear, but I'm impatient to see how it rides. I doubt I can wait for a used 105 group from ebay before I take this to the roads.
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I started the day with freezing my hands while washing my bike when it was 39 degrees outside. I finish the day freezing my hands in my shop doing some very minor paint correction to make the bike look it's very best. It was a good day.
Y'all have convinced me, I need to ride it for a bit and see if I like the fit. I'm still tempted to strip all the components off of it and build it with stuff that actually has wear, but I'm impatient to see how it rides. I doubt I can wait for a used 105 group from ebay before I take this to the roads.
Y'all have convinced me, I need to ride it for a bit and see if I like the fit. I'm still tempted to strip all the components off of it and build it with stuff that actually has wear, but I'm impatient to see how it rides. I doubt I can wait for a used 105 group from ebay before I take this to the roads.
I now see the BG's in your profile, great minds and all that.
Big fan of his, he moved to Eugene for 10 years after he left Eisentraut, hung out with Merz and DiNucci before returning to California.
Mine was built while he was up here.
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I grew up in Petaluma in an era when Salsa was next door to Bruce’s shop and had the pleasure of being Bruce’s friend for a while. Life took over and I moved away, but have always loved and respected Bruce’s skill and knowledge. I think growing up seeing the kind of stuff that those guys built heavily influenced the kind of bikes I still like to this day.
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I started the day with freezing my hands while washing my bike when it was 39 degrees outside. I finish the day freezing my hands in my shop doing some very minor paint correction to make the bike look it's very best. It was a good day.
Y'all have convinced me, I need to ride it for a bit and see if I like the fit. I'm still tempted to strip all the components off of it and build it with stuff that actually has wear, but I'm impatient to see how it rides. I doubt I can wait for a used 105 group from ebay before I take this to the roads.
Y'all have convinced me, I need to ride it for a bit and see if I like the fit. I'm still tempted to strip all the components off of it and build it with stuff that actually has wear, but I'm impatient to see how it rides. I doubt I can wait for a used 105 group from ebay before I take this to the roads.
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I grew up in Petaluma in an era when Salsa was next door to Bruce’s shop and had the pleasure of being Bruce’s friend for a while. Life took over and I moved away, but have always loved and respected Bruce’s skill and knowledge. I think growing up seeing the kind of stuff that those guys built heavily influenced the kind of bikes I still like to this day.
Our own @obrentharris is longtime good friends with Paul Sadoff and could likely add plenty to this.
We had Merz, Newlands and DiNucci here in PDX pretty early on, early 70's all starting about the same time. DiNucci worked for both the other two, Andy at Strawberry first for quite awhile and then for Merz a little while, then himself for awhile, then followed Merz to Big S where they both continued to have a big impact on the industry.
They are the big reason PDX has always been a mecca IMO.
And as I stated earlier, Mr. Gordon moved to Eugene for 10 years and hung out with two of the three.
Coincidence, I think not.
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Offset 3R fork crown on 3R built Specialized Allez
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When having replacement forks in stock it is for sure a good choice to have them in chrome as keeping extra forks in all paint colours would be bad for business.
The 1984 Ariel papers quotes “chromed replacement forks”. Are all chome forks replacements - of course not but if the fork in question does not have the frame serial stamped on it – it surly and strongly indicates it being a replacement fork.
If someone however doubts it (the fork) being a 3Rensho fork because of the Shimano ends, the fork crown or the Ishiwata markings - there are some things to consider:
Shimano fork ends in front and Campagnolo at the rear is also an indication of the fork not being original to the frame. However, having Shimano fork ends does not automatically mean it is not a 3Rensho fork. 3Rensho used Shimano fork ends but moved to Campagnolo ends at around 1983-4 – and according to Muzi, on his request. My 1983 early Super Record Aero (SRA) has Shimano front AND rear.
Ishiwata markings on forks with 3Rensho original design NSA aero crowns are present on verified matching 3Rensho frame/fork sets = Ishiwata markings does not mean it is a fork made by Ishiwata. 3Rensho made their own forks. It is likely that they also made the replacement forks.
My Super Record Aero (SRA)
The 1984 Ariel papers quotes “chromed replacement forks”. Are all chome forks replacements - of course not but if the fork in question does not have the frame serial stamped on it – it surly and strongly indicates it being a replacement fork.
If someone however doubts it (the fork) being a 3Rensho fork because of the Shimano ends, the fork crown or the Ishiwata markings - there are some things to consider:
Shimano fork ends in front and Campagnolo at the rear is also an indication of the fork not being original to the frame. However, having Shimano fork ends does not automatically mean it is not a 3Rensho fork. 3Rensho used Shimano fork ends but moved to Campagnolo ends at around 1983-4 – and according to Muzi, on his request. My 1983 early Super Record Aero (SRA) has Shimano front AND rear.
Ishiwata markings on forks with 3Rensho original design NSA aero crowns are present on verified matching 3Rensho frame/fork sets = Ishiwata markings does not mean it is a fork made by Ishiwata. 3Rensho made their own forks. It is likely that they also made the replacement forks.
My Super Record Aero (SRA)
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