Why are my hubs so quiet?
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: The OC
Posts: 244
Bikes: 2010 Mercier Kilo WT, 2011 Specialized Tarmac Pro SL3 Red
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Why are my hubs so quiet?
I have the 2011 Reynolds Sixty-Six clinchers, and it has come to my attention that the freewheel hub is really quiet when compared to other Reynolds wheelsets that I have heard. I have ridden with friends with the SDV66, Forty-six, and DV3K and they are plenty loud when coasting...
Now I cant provide a quantitative analogy of the difference in sound, but lets just say I can sneak up on a runner w/ earbuds on (which of course can lead to disastrous results), and my friends can't.
Jealous? not really: but i like the sound of a loud hub like I would like the buzzing sound of an import rice-rocket exhaust. Concerned? a little: Did I get a faulty hub? Do they not use the same hub between wheelsets?
Now I cant provide a quantitative analogy of the difference in sound, but lets just say I can sneak up on a runner w/ earbuds on (which of course can lead to disastrous results), and my friends can't.
Jealous? not really: but i like the sound of a loud hub like I would like the buzzing sound of an import rice-rocket exhaust. Concerned? a little: Did I get a faulty hub? Do they not use the same hub between wheelsets?
#2
Maud Magnet
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 765
Bikes: 2012 Specialized Allez Comp, 2001 Kona Stuff
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
The freewheel hub on my Easton EA50's is essentially silent... If you try really hard in a quiet room, you can hear the faintest "click click click" as you spin the wheel. I too wondered if this was problematic, but it seems to perform fine(?)
Last edited by antmeeks; 02-27-12 at 12:34 AM.
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,331
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
it has to do with how much grease or type of grease is used in ur freehub. i recently had this concern on my pt hubs. i removed the freehub and grease and now its super loud, i am actually thinking of putting some grease back in.
#4
Behind EVERYone!!!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Burlington ON, Canada
Posts: 6,020
Bikes: 2010 Specialized Tricross Comp 105 Double
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 96 Times
in
29 Posts
This is one of the things I have been wondering for a long while. I like a loud hub as well and mine are very quiet. I am STILL trying to get used to them.
__________________
A good teacher protects his pupils from his own influence.
― Bruce Lee
A good teacher protects his pupils from his own influence.
― Bruce Lee
#5
Gluteus Enormus
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 2,245
Bikes: Yes
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Some freehubs have more assembly grease than others. And most tend to get louder over time with use. If you want to make it louder you can take them apart, remove the thick grease and re-lube the pawls and ring with thinner grease or oil.
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NJ
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Yea, my hub that I got used was very quiet. I came from bmx.. so I like them loud.. very loud.
Pulled it apart, cleaned out the grease and it got louder.. Prob pull it apart again and clean each paw too. I'm not worried about it 'wearing' faster.. meh.
Another neat trick is to preload each spring on each paw more, this creates more force on the paws, but also makes that 'click' louder.. as well as removing almost all the grease. You just pull the hub apart, clean off all the grease, pull the paws out, cleaning more grease off, then bend each paws spring in order to 'pre-load' it, then put it all back together.
I also believe that it helps when riding up not only on runners, but also bikers - the added sound that is.
Pulled it apart, cleaned out the grease and it got louder.. Prob pull it apart again and clean each paw too. I'm not worried about it 'wearing' faster.. meh.
Another neat trick is to preload each spring on each paw more, this creates more force on the paws, but also makes that 'click' louder.. as well as removing almost all the grease. You just pull the hub apart, clean off all the grease, pull the paws out, cleaning more grease off, then bend each paws spring in order to 'pre-load' it, then put it all back together.
I also believe that it helps when riding up not only on runners, but also bikers - the added sound that is.
#7
Full Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Tampa Bay Area, FL
Posts: 333
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
My Velocity wheel hub is loud. I like it especially riding in a group because it gives people behind me a heads up that I'm coasting.
#8
Senior Member
This method makes noise even if you're pedaling!
__________________
2014 Specialized Roubaix2003 Interloc Impala2007 ParkPre Image C6 (RIP)
2014 Specialized Roubaix2003 Interloc Impala2007 ParkPre Image C6 (RIP)
#9
John Wayne Toilet Paper
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Roanoke
Posts: 1,952
Bikes: BH carbon, Ritchey steel, Kona aluminum
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I like the silence of my Dura Ace 7850 hubs and even on my Fulcrum Racing 7 winter wheels. The Zipp 188 hubs though are annoyingly loud. I'm actually considering some lithium grease on the pawls when I overhaul it.
#10
*
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 6,876
Bikes: https://velospace.org/node/18951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
i prefer a quiet one, and my current is full of angry hornets. at least it reminds me to pedal.
__________________
α
α
#11
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8,550
Bikes: Wilier Izoard XP (Record);Cinelli Xperience (Force);Specialized Allez (Rival);Bianchi Via Nirone 7 (Centaur); Colnago AC-R Disc;Colnago V1r Limited Edition;De Rosa King 3 Limited(Force 22);DeRosa Merak(Red):Pinarello Dogma 65.1 Hydro(Di2)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 551 Post(s)
Liked 277 Times
in
145 Posts
Hub noise is not there for your enjoyment. That is your HTFU alarm...and when it goes off, you need to move out of namby-pamby land and start pedalling!
#12
Portland, OR, USA
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: portland
Posts: 1,626
Bikes: kona paddywagon, trek 2.1, lemond nevada city, gt zrx
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
^^^ and fulcrum hubs on fulcrum rims are the loudest wheels on earth!! mine sound like a swarm of bee's in a coffee can....
#13
Seρor Blues
#14
Senior Member
I just completed an interesting experiment related to this.
When I received my wheels from Farsports earlier this year, the cassette could barely turn on the Novatec hubs. When I took the freehub apart, I found lots of metal filings in the freehub body (nice quality control, Novatec!) that were binding the freehub. The body was packed with what looked like thin green Dura-Ace grease. I removed all of the grease and relubed the cassette with mineral oil as that's what I had and that's what I'm used to using on freehubs. The hub has been running fine for about 1,500 miles.
After a rainstorm washed all of the oil out of the freehub, I decided I probably should repack it with grease as that's what it came with and it's less likely to wash out of the hub. I ordered some Shimano freehub grease online and repacked the hub. Suffice it to say, the difference in freehub noise after applying the grease was astounding to me. With oil, the hub sounded like a pissed rattlesnake. With grease it's almost completely silent. I knew there would be a difference but this was night and day. Long story short: freehub noise is 100% driven by what kind of lubrication you have in there.
Sidenote: I've learned that if you're using grease in a freehub, you have to use freehub-specific stuff. Regular grease is too sticky and the pawls can't operate fast enough. I learned that years ago when I lubed a freehub with regular Park grease and had some problems. Freehub grease is transluscent and very thin. I went to three different LBSs and none of them had freehub grease. In fact, two mechanics didn't even know what I was talking about. The stuff is easy to find online but I'm guessing this is not a very common service...
When I received my wheels from Farsports earlier this year, the cassette could barely turn on the Novatec hubs. When I took the freehub apart, I found lots of metal filings in the freehub body (nice quality control, Novatec!) that were binding the freehub. The body was packed with what looked like thin green Dura-Ace grease. I removed all of the grease and relubed the cassette with mineral oil as that's what I had and that's what I'm used to using on freehubs. The hub has been running fine for about 1,500 miles.
After a rainstorm washed all of the oil out of the freehub, I decided I probably should repack it with grease as that's what it came with and it's less likely to wash out of the hub. I ordered some Shimano freehub grease online and repacked the hub. Suffice it to say, the difference in freehub noise after applying the grease was astounding to me. With oil, the hub sounded like a pissed rattlesnake. With grease it's almost completely silent. I knew there would be a difference but this was night and day. Long story short: freehub noise is 100% driven by what kind of lubrication you have in there.
Sidenote: I've learned that if you're using grease in a freehub, you have to use freehub-specific stuff. Regular grease is too sticky and the pawls can't operate fast enough. I learned that years ago when I lubed a freehub with regular Park grease and had some problems. Freehub grease is transluscent and very thin. I went to three different LBSs and none of them had freehub grease. In fact, two mechanics didn't even know what I was talking about. The stuff is easy to find online but I'm guessing this is not a very common service...
#15
Super Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ffld Cnty Connecticut
Posts: 21,843
Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1173 Post(s)
Liked 927 Times
in
612 Posts
Are those ordinary playing cards ? I have found that those tend to fatigue rather quickly and cannot handle a lot of cycles. Additionally, they are suseptible to the elements which can further reduce effective usefulness.
I suggest using a 100 % synthetic card of a more resilient plastic that will give you many more miles of use before needing replacement.
Also, the attachment pictured appears to be celophane tape based, which I don't think is sturdy enough for long term use. A more rigid clamp will last longer and keep that card properly placed for optimal performance. The type of clamp will depend on the type/size of seatstay.
I suggest using a 100 % synthetic card of a more resilient plastic that will give you many more miles of use before needing replacement.
Also, the attachment pictured appears to be celophane tape based, which I don't think is sturdy enough for long term use. A more rigid clamp will last longer and keep that card properly placed for optimal performance. The type of clamp will depend on the type/size of seatstay.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.
FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.
FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Last edited by Homebrew01; 09-12-13 at 08:15 AM.
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 548
Bikes: Cannondale SuperSix
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Are those ordinary playing cards ? I have found that those tend to fatigue rather quickly and cannot handle a lot of cycles. Additionally, they are suseptible to the elements which can further reduce effective usefulness.
I suggest using a 100 % synthetic card of a more resilient plastic that will give you many more miles of use before needing replacement.
Also, the attachment pictured appears to be celophane tape based, which I don't think is sturdy enough for long term use. A more rigid clamp will last longer and keep that card properly placed for optimal performance. The type of clamp will depend on the type/size of seatstay.
I suggest using a 100 % synthetic card of a more resilient plastic that will give you many more miles of use before needing replacement.
Also, the attachment pictured appears to be celophane tape based, which I don't think is sturdy enough for long term use. A more rigid clamp will last longer and keep that card properly placed for optimal performance. The type of clamp will depend on the type/size of seatstay.
Last edited by cvall91; 09-12-13 at 08:24 AM.
#17
Administrator
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Delaware shore
Posts: 13,558
Bikes: Cervelo C5, Guru Photon, Waterford, Specialized CX
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1106 Post(s)
Liked 2,179 Times
in
1,469 Posts
#18
Rocketship Underpants
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 328
Bikes: '94 RS Bikes Stampede (commuter), Scattante XRL Team road bike (formerly '05 Cannondale R5000), '05 Cannondale Prophet 1000
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
If you can hear your freewheel, you're not pedaling.
Slacker.
More pedaling, less complaining.
Slacker.
More pedaling, less complaining.
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 842
Bikes: Trek 1.2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I like that mine is quiet, though I feel in general, if the freewheel is quiet, it means you have less expensive parts. I rode with my brother that has a nice bianchi with campagnolo (Is that what they're called?) parts and his is pretty loud when coasting.
#20
Senior Member
It's like you didn't even read my post.
#21
Administrator
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Delaware shore
Posts: 13,558
Bikes: Cervelo C5, Guru Photon, Waterford, Specialized CX
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1106 Post(s)
Liked 2,179 Times
in
1,469 Posts
#23
working on my sandal tan
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: CID
Posts: 22,629
Bikes: 1991 Bianchi Eros, 1964 Armstrong, 1988 Diamondback Ascent, 1988 Bianchi Premio, 1987 Bianchi Sport SX, 1980s Raleigh mixte (hers), All-City Space Horse (hers)
Mentioned: 98 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3871 Post(s)
Liked 2,568 Times
in
1,579 Posts
You can feel however you want, but well-designed hubs don't have to be loud -- it's just a bling feature that people want these days. In fact, noise usually means that energy is being wasted somewhere. I find loud freehubs to be pretty annoying.
#24
John Wayne Toilet Paper
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Roanoke
Posts: 1,952
Bikes: BH carbon, Ritchey steel, Kona aluminum
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I just completed an interesting experiment related to this.
When I received my wheels from Farsports earlier this year, the cassette could barely turn on the Novatec hubs. When I took the freehub apart, I found lots of metal filings in the freehub body (nice quality control, Novatec!) that were binding the freehub. The body was packed with what looked like thin green Dura-Ace grease. I removed all of the grease and relubed the cassette with mineral oil as that's what I had and that's what I'm used to using on freehubs. The hub has been running fine for about 1,500 miles.
After a rainstorm washed all of the oil out of the freehub, I decided I probably should repack it with grease as that's what it came with and it's less likely to wash out of the hub. I ordered some Shimano freehub grease online and repacked the hub. Suffice it to say, the difference in freehub noise after applying the grease was astounding to me. With oil, the hub sounded like a pissed rattlesnake. With grease it's almost completely silent. I knew there would be a difference but this was night and day. Long story short: freehub noise is 100% driven by what kind of lubrication you have in there.
Sidenote: I've learned that if you're using grease in a freehub, you have to use freehub-specific stuff. Regular grease is too sticky and the pawls can't operate fast enough. I learned that years ago when I lubed a freehub with regular Park grease and had some problems. Freehub grease is transluscent and very thin. I went to three different LBSs and none of them had freehub grease. In fact, two mechanics didn't even know what I was talking about. The stuff is easy to find online but I'm guessing this is not a very common service...
When I received my wheels from Farsports earlier this year, the cassette could barely turn on the Novatec hubs. When I took the freehub apart, I found lots of metal filings in the freehub body (nice quality control, Novatec!) that were binding the freehub. The body was packed with what looked like thin green Dura-Ace grease. I removed all of the grease and relubed the cassette with mineral oil as that's what I had and that's what I'm used to using on freehubs. The hub has been running fine for about 1,500 miles.
After a rainstorm washed all of the oil out of the freehub, I decided I probably should repack it with grease as that's what it came with and it's less likely to wash out of the hub. I ordered some Shimano freehub grease online and repacked the hub. Suffice it to say, the difference in freehub noise after applying the grease was astounding to me. With oil, the hub sounded like a pissed rattlesnake. With grease it's almost completely silent. I knew there would be a difference but this was night and day. Long story short: freehub noise is 100% driven by what kind of lubrication you have in there.
Sidenote: I've learned that if you're using grease in a freehub, you have to use freehub-specific stuff. Regular grease is too sticky and the pawls can't operate fast enough. I learned that years ago when I lubed a freehub with regular Park grease and had some problems. Freehub grease is transluscent and very thin. I went to three different LBSs and none of them had freehub grease. In fact, two mechanics didn't even know what I was talking about. The stuff is easy to find online but I'm guessing this is not a very common service...
Interesting experimental results with your various greasing!
#25
John Wayne Toilet Paper
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Roanoke
Posts: 1,952
Bikes: BH carbon, Ritchey steel, Kona aluminum
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Well obviously expense has little to do with quality, but for counterpoint, shimano freehubs are widely regarded as extremely high quality (and they aren't usually cheap, either) but they tend to be pretty quiet.