Is your bike good enough to have a patent on it? What’s your patent#?
09-19-09, 02:36 PM
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We probably did the drawings.
09-19-09, 03:17 PM
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Dude, you're disturbing his bliss. Stop that.
Seriously, he's whining about how corporations use patents to stifle innovation and stuff the little guy. Yet can't be bothered to do the 30 seconds research it took to discover that his poster child case was in fact showing how patents protect the little guy from the big corporations.
God how I do love the internet, where any clueless wanker can prattle on like he actually knows something.
Seriously, he's whining about how corporations use patents to stifle innovation and stuff the little guy. Yet can't be bothered to do the 30 seconds research it took to discover that his poster child case was in fact showing how patents protect the little guy from the big corporations.
God how I do love the internet, where any clueless wanker can prattle on like he actually knows something.
09-19-09, 03:42 PM
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What world do you live in? I'd like to move there. So would some former researchers from Bell Labs, Kodak, 3M, Proctor and Gamble, ...
But he explained it much better, than I. https://www.amazon.com/Right-Stuff-To...3396612&sr=1-1
But he explained it much better, than I. https://www.amazon.com/Right-Stuff-To...3396612&sr=1-1
09-19-09, 04:31 PM
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get your head out of the ground, in this world, innovation is stifled by lack of funding. truly groundbreaking stuff is often very expensive to develop. without patents, nobody would bother investing in the initial effort.
09-19-09, 04:32 PM
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Look, we've been over this before. I'm not even a big fan of IP law, but you can't say the bicycle industry is a monopoly situation with any semblance of credibility when I have ten options or more at any price range. The very fact that you can take your business to someone besides Specialized proves my point.
You're more Communist than my sister.
You're more Communist than my sister.
09-19-09, 11:54 PM
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Interesting. That looks like a photoshop job though. That is way too noticeable as well. Why do some companies feel it is necessary to put the patent no. on the frame? Do they have to put it on the frame for the patent to be valid? Here is my spin on it though:
09-20-09, 12:08 AM
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It's on the bottom of the chainstay!
09-20-09, 12:32 AM
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So that someone that may want to steal the innovation can't use ignorance as an excuse. Calfee certainly isn't a big corportation, and as people have said Specialized's patents are licensed so both are example of protecting the little guy. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it is in the licensing terms to Specialized that the patent is clearly displayed so that people know where the innovation actually originated.
09-20-09, 12:35 AM
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So that someone that may want to steal the innovation can't use ignorance as an excuse. Calfee certainly isn't a big corportation, and as people have said Specialized's patents are licensed so both are example of protecting the little guy. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it is in the licensing terms to Specialized that the patent is clearly displayed so that people know where the innovation actually originated.
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edit: just checked 4 specialized bikes (2 road, 1 tt, 1 mtb) and the only patents listed were on the Cane Creek headsets.
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09-20-09, 01:23 AM
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All three of those patents were invented by Horst Leitner, a well known innovater/inventor in the area of motorcycle and bicycle suspension. The most recent of those is assigned to Specialized, which probably means that he developed it while under contract or employed by them.
But the first two are not assigned to Specialized, so they are being used under license. Leitner had his own small company making motorcycle suspension stuff. So those patents served to keep Specialized from using small inventor Leitner's ideas without compensation. I'd say that fosters innovation, since it allows small inventors some legal protection so they can obtain renumeration for their ideas.
But the first two are not assigned to Specialized, so they are being used under license. Leitner had his own small company making motorcycle suspension stuff. So those patents served to keep Specialized from using small inventor Leitner's ideas without compensation. I'd say that fosters innovation, since it allows small inventors some legal protection so they can obtain renumeration for their ideas.
Horst Leitner, what a guy. Amp Research, ATK motorcycles, bicycle suspension, software for cars, electric running boards for trucks, etc. The guy just thinks too much.
Specialized bought the mtb suspension design from him and other manufacturers pay the big S touse it.
I have a KHS mtb with a sticker that says Specialized on the swingarm. Big deal. Turner has stopped using the Leitner/Specialized design and is now using the DW Link design.
People will pay to use whatever works. People will design stuff that works so they can get paid.
Specialized bought the mtb suspension design from him and other manufacturers pay the big S touse it.
I have a KHS mtb with a sticker that says Specialized on the swingarm. Big deal. Turner has stopped using the Leitner/Specialized design and is now using the DW Link design.
People will pay to use whatever works. People will design stuff that works so they can get paid.
09-20-09, 01:25 AM
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They own the third patent which is a continuation of the other two. Specialized needs to license the first two to make use of it. If another company wanted to use the third one, they would need to license it from Specialized. Not sure if they would also have to license the other two or if Specialized handles that. Guess it depends on the terms of the license.
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https://rasidi.multiply.com/journal/i...ion_Technology
FSR Suspension : 4-bar-links give the benefits of independent chain and braking forces which translates to fully active suspension system which in English means:
Where is Horst link placed on a bike? It's the pivot on the chain-stay, infront of the drop-out (left fig).
The other 3 links (right fig) allow bike designer to control suspension rate and making the rear triangle stiffer.
So if you're a small and independent bike manufacturer and that your bikes does not affect Specialized business, I think you can apply for the license to use FSR suspension on your bike design.
FSR Suspension : 4-bar-links give the benefits of independent chain and braking forces which translates to fully active suspension system which in English means:- Pedalling forces move you forward and not up-and-down (bobbing)
- Brakes does not affect the FSR suspension even when you pull the brakes in a death-grip, it still moves freely (no brake-jack)
- FSR means comfort and better control of your bike - small hits compliance and big hits friendly.
- Horst Leitner father of Horst Link from from AMP Reserch
- Invented Horst Link in 1991 and used it in AMP line of bikes
- Patent bought by Specialized in May 1998
- Scott used Horst Link in their Genius line but went into legal tussle when Scott tried to sell the bikes in US but was favored in Europe (patent did not apply here)
Where is Horst link placed on a bike? It's the pivot on the chain-stay, infront of the drop-out (left fig). The other 3 links (right fig) allow bike designer to control suspension rate and making the rear triangle stiffer.
So if you're a small and independent bike manufacturer and that your bikes does not affect Specialized business, I think you can apply for the license to use FSR suspension on your bike design.