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Old 12-07-23, 02:54 PM
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can you guys help me find a cheap headset (aliexpress is the best option) regarding a new headset to replace an old treaded fork with one treadless and a bit larger?
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Originally Posted by CrowSeph
can you guys help me find a cheap headset (aliexpress is the best option) regarding a new headset to replace an old treaded fork with one treadless and a bit larger?
I don't do brand recommendations but here are thin gs to consider.

First and most important --- you cannot go from a threaded to a threadless headset on the same fork, so change your plans unless you've changed your fork.

Next, consider the critical dimensional specs.

1.125" (1-1/8") forks and headsets all conform to a single standard, however there are so-called tapered and standard types.
1" forks are trickier. There are 2 common standards ISO with 26.4 crown an 30.2 headtube, and JIS which are 27.0/30.0 respectively.

So, figure out what you need then happy shopping.

BTW- if you did buy a new threadless fork, you'll also need a new stem.
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good value for $$$/

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Originally Posted by FBinNY
I don't do brand recommendations but here are thin gs to consider.

First and most important --- you cannot go from a threaded to a threadless headset on the same fork, so change your plans unless you've changed your fork.

Next, consider the critical dimensional specs.

1.125" (1-1/8") forks and headsets all conform to a single standard, however there are so-called tapered and standard types.
1" forks are trickier. There are 2 common standards ISO with 26.4 crown an 30.2 headtube, and JIS which are 27.0/30.0 respectively.

So, figure out what you need then happy shopping.

BTW- if you did buy a new threadless fork, you'll also need a new stem.
Yea I have a new fork. Tomorrow I'll post the measure to be sure. Probably I'm going to do a fun project
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Yea I have a new fork. Tomorrow I'll post the measure to be sure. Probably I'm going to do a fun project
Measure the fork at the crown seat (base of the steerer). Measure the head tube ID at top or bottom.

Note, if its 1", there's a possibility that you bought a JIS vs ISO fork, kr the other way around. It will still work, but since the fork and frame don't match, you might need to buy 2 headsets.
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your correct/

in that case I would choose the FSA with cartridge bearings.

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Cane Creek 40 from Cane Creek or an authorized dealer. Would not want junk from Alibaba and his 40 thieves and have always found Cane Creek to be some of the best headsets and will last and last and last and continue lasting. Plus Cane Creek has good support behind their products and the bearings are sealed cartridge bearings which are easy to replace and a better choice for a headset.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
Measure the fork at the crown seat (base of the steerer). Measure the head tube ID at top or bottom.

Note, if its 1", there's a possibility that you bought a JIS vs ISO fork, kr the other way around. It will still work, but since the fork and frame don't match, you might need to buy 2 headsets.
In most cases (probably all but I never want to commit to that!), a JIS headtube will accept ISO cups (only 0.2 mm difference in diameter). But a JIS fork will never accept an ISO crown race (0.6 mm difference).
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In most cases (probably all but I never want to commit to that!), a JIS headtube will accept ISO cups (only 0.2 mm difference in diameter). But a JIS fork will never accept an ISO crown race (0.6 mm difference).
Yes, they can be forced in but it can be risky practice. The added stress can eventually split the tube, especially with aluminum and some higher steel alloys.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
Yes, they can be forced in but it can be risky practice. The added stress can eventually split the tube, especially with aluminum and some higher steel alloys.
Just curious if you've ever seen this happen. I can imagine it happening, hence my caveat, but I've heard about it being done enough times to not worry too much about it.
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Just curious if you've ever seen this happen. I can imagine it happening, hence my caveat, but I've heard about it being done enough times to not worry too much about it.
Yes, a few times. Mostly with aluminum and once with steel. We need to keep in mind that these standards aren't created at random. They're carefully created and reflect the mechanical properties of materials, to a balance between the "constricting" force and the elastic limits involved.
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Originally Posted by CrowSeph
a bit larger?
Exactly how much is "a bit larger?"
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