Help Identifying Frameset
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Help Identifying Frameset
Hey. I could use some help identifying this frame. Any help would be appreciated. So, distinguishing characteristics:
- Steel (obviously)
- Either fillet-brazed or TIG-welded then filed smooth
- Ritchey Type 74 drop outs
- older Cinelli-style bridge
- extended seattube
- recessed rear brake cable routing in and out on top of the toptube
- two holes for a badge on the headtube (right higher than left when facing it)
- very sleek 1" aero fork
- 27.0-27.2mm seatpost diameter
- English BB
- No visible Serial Number
- 700c/700c
- frame and fork weigh about 2.7kg (55cm racing geometry)
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Does the steerer tube have any rifling like this? It can down what kind of tubing it is.
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It looks similar to some older Breezer Venturis I'm seeing online.
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I actually thought about the Breezer Venturi, but this does not have the squared-off tube ends like the Breezer, the welds or brazing on this frame is much finer than the Breezer, it is lighter than the Breezer, the Breezer never had internal brake cable routing, the Breezer has a different bridge, and the Breezer never used Ritchey drops. Very ironically, though, there is an Italian company called Venturi who made frames that look a lot like this, and used Ritchey drops, but this frame isn't quite the same as any of their models. The toptube sealed brake line routing is very reminiscent of Basso or Gios (Gios has the patent for it), but it likely isn't those either.
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Six, wide splines are consistent with a Tange steerer tube. In which case there may be a Tange logo and alpha-numeric date code stamped on the outside of the steerer tube. Are the fork dropouts Ritchey or Tange?
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The tubing mfgrs have different rifling in their tubing. As T-Mar pointed out, the fork in the previous post is Tange Prestige tubing. Here is one made with Columbus SL. The tubing/DO combo might help narrow the search.
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It is butted, not splined. It's not a Tange fork. It appears to be Columbus or Dedacciai. There is no pantograph or stamp on the tube or the fork drops.
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True. It's butted, not rifled. The butting appears to be SLX, or possibly Dedacciai.
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uh...pardon me if this is an ignorant (and snarky) comment but have we seen a pic of the steerer on the OP's BLUE painted "areo/uniclown" fork or just other examples (other colors) that show some popular butts with popular rifling styles?
OP says "It appears to be Columbus or Dedacciai.", personally I have seen only one "labelled as Deda" fork and that had no rifling in the butt, if not for the fork blade label I'd have had no idea what brand tubing was used. Also it came on a frame with a Deda label, so there's that, but not a guarantee.
OP says "It appears to be Columbus or Dedacciai.", personally I have seen only one "labelled as Deda" fork and that had no rifling in the butt, if not for the fork blade label I'd have had no idea what brand tubing was used. Also it came on a frame with a Deda label, so there's that, but not a guarantee.
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uh...pardon me if this is an ignorant (and snarky) comment but have we seen a pic of the steerer on the OP's BLUE painted "areo/uniclown" fork or just other examples (other colors) that show some popular butts with popular rifling styles?
OP says "It appears to be Columbus or Dedacciai.", personally I have seen only one "labelled as Deda" fork and that had no rifling in the butt, if not for the fork blade label I'd have had no idea what brand tubing was used. Also it came on a frame with a Deda label, so there's that, but not a guarantee.
OP says "It appears to be Columbus or Dedacciai.", personally I have seen only one "labelled as Deda" fork and that had no rifling in the butt, if not for the fork blade label I'd have had no idea what brand tubing was used. Also it came on a frame with a Deda label, so there's that, but not a guarantee.
PS - I'll post a pic of the steerer next opportunity. But of course, that does not tell me what the frame is, as one can put any fork with any frame.
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Does the steerer tube have any rifling like this? It can down what kind of tubing it is.
I think you created some confusion by answering the question about *rifling* with “yes it has butting”. It sounds like you meant “no, but it has butting”.
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Yeah - I figured the author of the original question didn't know the difference, and that he/she meant butting instead of "rifling". Particularly as there is no such thing as "rifled" frame tubes. And since either butting or splining could reasonably be referred to as "rifling", then my answer was appropriate. Kind of like them asking "is it blue?", and me answering "yes, it is cerulean". So, a more specific answer to a more general query. Thanks for the incorrect grammar lesson though - really helps identify the frame!
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Also, do you think that the type of "rifling" in gun barrels is the only type of rifling in the world? ROTFL!!! And, don't look down a gun barrel - a lot of stupid people have died that way.
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You might take your query over to CR where you can and strut your little knowledge to the likes of Merz, Sachs, Fattic, and others? Can put in a word for you with Dale. If nothing else, it will be amusing for a minute.
Someone there may ID your example? Not interested in helping because you are Butted. (sic)
(How can you not know whether it's welded or brazed?)
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After rifling through this thread it appears to be about semantics
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That wasn't a lesson in grammar. It was a suggestion to pay attention to the questions from people who are trying to help you and give clear answers. Given that the questioner provided a helpful photo of exactly what they were referring to, it was quite clear that they didn't mean butting. But if asking for help and then assuming people don't know what they're talking about and being rude to most of them works for you, by all means keep at it.
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These 90's bikes with Ritchey dropouts pop up from time to time, we should probably start compiling a list of builders that used them.
I know Ibis built a version of their Spanky frame with them, so that might be a rabbit hole to go down.
I know Ibis built a version of their Spanky frame with them, so that might be a rabbit hole to go down.
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Columbus refers to the augmentation to their steerer tube as "helicoidal reinforcement," not "splining" or "splined."
You might take your query over to CR where you can and strut your little knowledge to the likes of Merz, Sachs, Fattic, and others? Can put in a word for you with Dale. If nothing else, it will be amusing for a minute.
Someone there may ID your example? Not interested in helping because you are Butted. (sic)
(How can you not know whether it's welded or brazed?)
You might take your query over to CR where you can and strut your little knowledge to the likes of Merz, Sachs, Fattic, and others? Can put in a word for you with Dale. If nothing else, it will be amusing for a minute.
Someone there may ID your example? Not interested in helping because you are Butted. (sic)
(How can you not know whether it's welded or brazed?)
Also, since you are trying to be pedantic, I'll return the favour: you can only use "sic" if you are quoting someone, and "butting" is the correct term.
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That wasn't a lesson in grammar. It was a suggestion to pay attention to the questions from people who are trying to help you and give clear answers. Given that the questioner provided a helpful photo of exactly what they were referring to, it was quite clear that they didn't mean butting. But if asking for help and then assuming people don't know what they're talking about and being rude to most of them works for you, by all means keep at it.
Also, you'll note that I didn't correct him, or condescend to him. All I did was reply "Yes, it is butted". I corrected you, because you were being rude.
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