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Old 09-08-11, 03:52 PM
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Thanks. I am only half the man you are so I only need half the gearing. On today's ride at 25 mph I still had about three gears left, I am going to have to get much stronger before I have to worry about a standard crankset.

Now if I had your money, I would probably go ahead and order a 54/39 Quarq for it.
In TT's the downgrades are where you really gain some speed, that's where you need a 53 or 54 x 11, and the slower you are, the more you need it.
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Can't you put any chainrings on that Quark? I thought the Quark was in the crank arms, not the chainrings.
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Can't you put any chainrings on that Quark? I thought the Quark was in the crank arms, not the chainrings.
I'm pretty sure you have to send it back to quarq to have it recalibrated when switching rings.

Does this idea make any sense to you? I am thinking about getting a Wheelbuilder disc cover. If I do that I may have it made to fit my PT wheel laced to a DT Swiss rim. Think that would work as well as having it made for my current wheelset? If I go that route I can just get a crankset. What do you think?
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In TT's the downgrades are where you really gain some speed, that's where you need a 53 or 54 x 11, and the slower you are, the more you need it.
Makes sense, thanks.
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In TT's the downgrades are where you really gain some speed, that's where you need a 53 or 54 x 11, and the slower you are, the more you need it.
50x11 at 120rpm is 42.6 mph, 54x11 is 46.1 mph.

If that's a limiting factor in your TT, go for it. You need the gears. For most other TT's the 50t is as good or better for mortals.
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Originally Posted by Quel
50x11 at 120rpm is 42.6 mph, 54x11 is 46.1 mph.

If that's a limiting factor in your TT, go for it. You need the gears. For most other TT's the 50t is as good or better for mortals.
You're making my case for me. The bigger gearing can give you an extra couple of mph on the downgrades. Nothing wrong with that. Compacts are for makeup, not racing bicycles.
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I'm making the case that you should have proper gearing, not that you should get a 54x11. Proper gearing depends on the situation. I'm not aware of a TT within a couple hours drive of here where I'd need to worry about going 42+ mph. So for the rest of the TT's, having a compact gives me an extra gear or two in the middle of the cassette to work with while staying in the big ring.
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Nice LowCel!!

Another sexy hot ass BMC!!
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Why do BMC's always look so awesome?
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Originally Posted by Quel
I'm making the case that you should have proper gearing, not that you should get a 54x11. Proper gearing depends on the situation. I'm not aware of a TT within a couple hours drive of here where I'd need to worry about going 42+ mph. So for the rest of the TT's, having a compact gives me an extra gear or two in the middle of the cassette to work with while staying in the big ring.
Oh stop.
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Why do BMC's always look so awesome?
Because they're so stiff and heavy that at least they have looks going for them.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Because they're so stiff and heavy that at least they have looks going for them.
Wut?

Mine weighs 15.60 lbs., and is several levels below their top of heap frameset. Me thinks you have Cervelo-Rider wishes they had a BMC envy...

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Originally Posted by patentcad
and heavy that at least they have looks going for them.
At 15.9 pounds i wouldn't consider mine heavy at all.
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Mine's heavy. Of course it is built with heavy wheels, a heavy crankset, heavy bars, etc, etc.....
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How did you build this up so quickly while the Colnago took you no fewer than three years?
LOL what the hell does that matter? heheheheheh
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Originally Posted by LowCel
Mine's heavy. Of course it is built with heavy wheels, a heavy crankset, heavy bars, etc, etc.....
Just makes the downhills that much quicker. Now P-cad will have to get one of these :-)

Great looking bile Lowcel.
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Originally Posted by Quel
50x11 at 120rpm is 42.6 mph, 54x11 is 46.1 mph.
If that's a limiting factor in your TT, go for it. You need the gears. For most other TT's the 50t is as good or better for mortals.
You are forgetting the rather important factor of high cadence at high speeds and how they slow you down considerably.
This is why TT'ers will be happier to ride at a cadence of 80-90 and use their 53-11 instead of going to a higher cadence.

Nice bike, OP
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You are forgetting the rather important factor of high cadence at high speeds and how they slow you down considerably.
This is why TT'ers will be happier to ride at a cadence of 80-90 and use their 53-11 instead of going to a higher cadence.

Nice bike, OP
Sorry, I'm missing something. How does high cadence and high speeds slow you down? I agree that when i watch a TT normally you see the guys running a large gear with a lower cadence then you would normally thing is right during a race. I'm just not understanding the reasoning behind this.
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I am so glad I have always been a high gear, low cadence rider.....
now to become a high gear, high cadence rider >
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Originally Posted by AdelaaR
You are forgetting the rather important factor of high cadence at high speeds and how they slow you down considerably.
This is why TT'ers will be happier to ride at a cadence of 80-90 and use their 53-11 instead of going to a higher cadence.
Why do you say that? Go watch video of any of the top pro TTers and tell me their cadence. If you can find one with a cadence of 80 I'll eat my hat. I'd say Cancellara is north of 100.
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the issue is the BCD (bolt circle diameter) on a compact is 110, a standard crankset is 130.
Compact cranks don't (generally speaking) come larger than 50t, it is about the spacing of the bolts around the crankset that are the limiter, not the nature of the Quarq itself.
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Originally Posted by phee
Great looking bile Lowcel.
Originally Posted by AdelaaR
Nice bike, OP
Thanks guys.
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Here is the data from my first race on it.

https://app.strava.com/rides/1574628#24906420

15.18 miles
38:24 (minutes:seconds)
271 feet elevation gain
23.8 avg moving speed
291 watts avg (296 watts on WKO+)
311 nom watts
753 max watts
95 avg cadence
671 kilojoules
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Originally Posted by phee
Sorry, I'm missing something. How does high cadence and high speeds slow you down? I agree that when i watch a TT normally you see the guys running a large gear with a lower cadence then you would normally thing is right during a race. I'm just not understanding the reasoning behind this.
Your feet move against the wind more than your body does and so they generate quite a lot of drag for their size.
This is why TT'ers even use shoe covers to increase the aeroness of the feet.
The higher your cadence ... the faster your foot is "kicking against the wind" and so the more it will slow you down.
The difference isn't huge nor is it even big ... but for time trial races it can mean the difference between winning and not even being near the podium since the effect increases exponentially with speed increase.
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