I yelled at a cyclist, today.
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Italian driver and cyclist both yelling and gesticulating with both hands.
What could go wrong.
(wife and family are Italian and hands/arms flail when excited)
What could go wrong.
(wife and family are Italian and hands/arms flail when excited)
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Happens all the time on the MUP, and I either request they let me pass or wait it out depending on why they may be traveling in the manner they are. I am essentially infinitely patient if there's a child involved. I don't start screaming or whatever the vocal equivalent of honking is.
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I'm with the OP on this one. If there is a Bike lane and someone is taking up an entire vehicle lane instead, whether it is legal or not, is pretty ignorant. It is illegal for cars to drive in the bike lane but apparently it's ok for a biker to ignore the bike lane and block the entire lane making cars go around into oncoming traffic. I agree that it makes things more dangerous and more inconvenient for all involved. I had a similar situation where I was the honker and the biker flipped me the bird as well. Only time in my 30+ years of driving I had ever honked at a biker, because I had never seen one so ignorant. Point is to SHARE the road, not hog it because you can. That is the whole reason bikers get a bad rap in the first place, by being ignorant twats like that. Someday that biker will get splattered on the road either by an inattentive driver or an angry driver, and rightfully so IMO. Or cause a head on collision.
Do you realize you just said it would be "rightful" for someone to intentionally splatter that rider?
Honking for any reason except for warning is a hostile act. I will flip you off if you honk at me. I don't care if your sensibilities were offended by having to slow down a little bit.
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FWIW, the question I asked is really intended to be a question. In my case I would feel frustrated. I would also think that the 10 mph cyclist was being, I'll call it "inappropriate." How I would respond or not is another matter. I do find it hard to believe that most people would be fine with the situation. To clarify....my response is specific to the road and not MUPs which are multiple use.
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Video reminds me of the time I was on a descent on a fully loaded bike in MT when there was someone behind me in an RV. Only a small shoulder, if you could call it that. Some tuurns, so I am not sure that he wanted to pass me, but I wasn't going to give him the opportunity to try.. Once the grade cooled out I found a place to pull off the road so anyone behind me could pass.
If that RV tried to pass you on a curve, and met an oncoming vehicle, the driver would've swerved right into you.
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I would guess that unless you are totally car free or have absolutely no time constraints put on your life, no appointments or places where you need to go, there are instances when a cyclist or a group of cyclists have impeded your progress as a motorist.
I have never yelled, or thought of yelling, at a cyclist, but I have thought about how non-cycling motorists would feel when I’m the one on the bike. It is a good time to reflect on how much of the road do I want to legally claim. In a day and age where motorists hate cyclists but will go to whatever lengths, including getting in an accident to avoid hitting a dog, I realize that I’ve dropped down another notch, or two, on the food chain.
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I have never yelled, or thought of yelling, at a cyclist, but I have thought about how non-cycling motorists would feel when I’m the one on the bike. It is a good time to reflect on how much of the road do I want to legally claim. In a day and age where motorists hate cyclists but will go to whatever lengths, including getting in an accident to avoid hitting a dog, I realize that I’ve dropped down another notch, or two, on the food chain.
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Your concern wasn't safety, that's a rationalization. If he's on the road legally (was he required to ride in the side lane?) "you might hurt someone by angering a driver so bad that the driver goes out of their way to hit a cyclist who's riding legally" is such absurd speculation that it's amazing anyone spouts this. You were mad because he slowed you down and you made up an excuse to tell him off.
You do understand that drivers yelling out of car windows is one of the major reasons cyclists hate drivers, right? I'm conditioned from all of the random yelling and "get on the sidewalk" type "advice" to flip off almost everyone who does this. Where I ride, it's either just random insults, "boo", stupid crap like telling me to ride on the far right of a right turn lane when I'm going straight, or just incomprehensible gibberish.
You do understand that drivers yelling out of car windows is one of the major reasons cyclists hate drivers, right? I'm conditioned from all of the random yelling and "get on the sidewalk" type "advice" to flip off almost everyone who does this. Where I ride, it's either just random insults, "boo", stupid crap like telling me to ride on the far right of a right turn lane when I'm going straight, or just incomprehensible gibberish.
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Doesn't matter how I feel. I slow down and pass only when safe to do so.
The only person being dangerous is the one choosing to be dangerous, and in the OP's case it's the driver. It's always the driver choosing to do something dangerous.
If you don't want to encounter other road users, stay at home.
You are not entitled to go as fast as you want.
The only person being dangerous is the one choosing to be dangerous, and in the OP's case it's the driver. It's always the driver choosing to do something dangerous.
If you don't want to encounter other road users, stay at home.
You are not entitled to go as fast as you want.
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FWIW, the question I asked is really intended to be a question. In my case I would feel frustrated. I would also think that the 10 mph cyclist was being, I'll call it "inappropriate." How I would respond or not is another matter. I do find it hard to believe that most people would be fine with the situation. To clarify....my response is specific to the road and not MUPs which are multiple use.
If I ride in public, I encounter all sorts of people doing things inconvenient to me. I generally don't get impolite about it unless I think there's a real safety issue (I yelled at someone for close-passing a child, for example) or the person has deliberately done something intentionally to bug me.
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For all those who defend all cyclists regardless of their behaviour, let me remind you of a legendary epitaph:
Here lies the body of Johnathon O'Day
He died maintaining his right of way
His way was clear
His will was strong
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong
Here lies the body of Johnathon O'Day
He died maintaining his right of way
His way was clear
His will was strong
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong
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Do you realize you just said it would be "rightful" for someone to intentionally splatter that rider?
Honking for any reason except for warning is a hostile act. I will flip you off if you honk at me. I don't care if your sensibilities were offended by having to slow down a little bit.
Honking for any reason except for warning is a hostile act. I will flip you off if you honk at me. I don't care if your sensibilities were offended by having to slow down a little bit.
Either way, you have no idea what particular situation I was in, or the OP. If you were biking at 4 km hour, middle of the only lane in rush hour traffic for blocks on end with a dozen cars behind you while there is a bike lane right beside, and flipping off all the cars that honk, I'd be happy to see you get mowed down, Karen. (Although no one should ever do that)
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Why this question is even being asked is a mystery to me. I would feel like I would if driving a vehicle, wait until it is clear and safe to pass. It happens frequently. My wellness being the main reason, along with the wellness of the others. Whether operating a vehicle or a bicycle, impatience and being unsafe is the same.
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I wonder if the A&S forum regulars know what they are missing up in this joint.
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If a car's horn was as loud inside the car, as it is outside, no motorist would use them.
There's a deference to all things "car". We ask children to act like adults, wearing high-vis clothing, helmets, "be seen be safe" and so on, just so adults in cars can act like children.
There's a deference to all things "car". We ask children to act like adults, wearing high-vis clothing, helmets, "be seen be safe" and so on, just so adults in cars can act like children.
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Happens all the time on the MUP, and I either request they let me pass or wait it out depending on why they may be traveling in the manner they are. I am essentially infinitely patient if there's a child involved. I don't start screaming or whatever the vocal equivalent of honking is.
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Anyone else do much driving in Italy?
Impatience and generally not following any rules are the rule of the day there. I would think at least three times before taking the lane on my bike in Italy, twice in Alabama, once in Pennsyltucky, and I own it all in Seattle.
Impatience and generally not following any rules are the rule of the day there. I would think at least three times before taking the lane on my bike in Italy, twice in Alabama, once in Pennsyltucky, and I own it all in Seattle.
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Actually, the drivers are pretty good around here. Though I am in Amish country, so don't deal with as many motorists.
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