cpsqlrwn

I am mostly interested in knowing whether this predates the Ten Speed Drive imports and whether it might be late 70's early 80's when these frames might have had more of Mondonico's influence. If anyone wants to set me straight on all this, please do so. I don't know that much about Guerciotti. These are the only pictures that I have available so I cannot determine whether the TSD panto is in the rear brake bridge. I also don't have any information on whatever bottom bracket cutout might exist. The owner claims this was high on Guerciotti's pecking order at the time, something about it being a Record Strada. To me the decal indicates it might be SL but the owner cannot tell me the seat post size either. Thanks for any input!

Chombi

Early to mid 80's??
Graphics seem to say early but FD derailleur tang and nicely sloping fork crown might push it up a little into the mid 80's. It's not quite the Italian "Peacocks" that came in later from many Italian makers in mid to late 80's

Chombi

miamijim

Pics of rear brake bridge?

shorthanded

what's the spacing in the back? that'd at least get you in the ballpark.

lowlife1975

i have a similar looking one in black, thats a 78/79, however, it only has single water bottle bosses. yours has two, usually you see two on frames from the early 80s on?

Picchio Special

Details all say 80's to me - note that the dropouts don't appear to have the portacatena holes.

cpsqlrwn

If this is early to mid 80's as most of you suggest, would that make it a TSD unit and would that put it in a time frame where the quality or value of the line was becoming less. It seems to me that some people look down on the TSD era of these bikes. Is that a fair assessment or is that overblown?

vjp

I think that it is earlier 80's also, most likely Wm. Lewis imported if it was bought in the U.S. of A.

Picchio Special

It makes no sense to me, personally. People will tend to downplay the TSD connection, possibly because it makes the bikes seem less "Italian." but I have news for you, Ciocc's only started coming into the US in the very late 70's, and TSD was in the picture very early on. I owned a San Cristobal from the very late 70's or very early 80's (and most definitely earlier than the one you posted pics of) with a clamp on front derailleur, and the older graphics with the non-flying "C." It had the "C" that someone here has I think referred to as the Cincinnati Reds "C," which gives you the idea. And guess what? It had the TSD logo stamped into the rear brake bridge block. So I think anyone who looks down on the TSD era of Ciocc's doesn't know what they're talking about, since I'd bet dollars to donuts those same people have never seen a "pre-TSD-era" Ciocc, except maybe on Ray Dobbins's site. (I coulda bought that one when Ray sold it, but passed.) Realize we're talking Guerciotti, but I think the lesson is that TSD did nothing to detract from the quality of the bikes they imported, and the paint was much better.
Rant over.

P.S. - went on a bit of a TSD tangent there - sorry.