Crazy Pedestrian this morning
11-01-18, 09:46 AM
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Likewise when I say "passing on your right". I'm not claiming bells are totally ineffective, I just think they're inherently inferior to explaining what you're doing as bells convey so little information. I really find the "phantom passer" very annoying.
11-01-18, 09:50 AM
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And you just escalated the rhetoric here by ascribing her behavior to a "type of woman". Sorry, but I have lost all faith in your account of the story--I think you like to pick fights.
11-01-18, 10:07 AM
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What part of my story indicated that I picked a fight with her. You can think what you like....
There's no rhetoric here, No one here has blamed me for anything. More against the pedestrian for being unreasonable.
I could care less what faith you have in me or my story.....
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11-01-18, 10:38 AM
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Right,
What part of my story indicated that I picked a fight with her. You can think what you like....
There's no rhetoric here, No one here has blamed me for anything. More against the pedestrian for being unreasonable.
I could care less what faith you have in me or my story.....
What part of my story indicated that I picked a fight with her. You can think what you like....
There's no rhetoric here, No one here has blamed me for anything. More against the pedestrian for being unreasonable.
I could care less what faith you have in me or my story.....
Oh, please, no rhetoric?!
You: "Let's put it this way, this was the type of woman who feel she only has RIGHTS no RESPONSIBILITIES. If my bicycle had brushed against her, I'd be dealing with a lawsuit that my children's children will still be defending. While she sits in the courtroom arguing about mansplaining."
So you took this trivial anecdote and spun it into an attack on some cartoon version of feminism. Yeah, you go boy!
Oh, and as little as you care about my opinion, I care even less about yours.
11-01-18, 12:53 PM
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The problem with that is I used my bell. (two rings). She said something like "you expect me to hear that"? I'm generally not good for argument on the fly, but if more time were given my comeback would be something like, "you have ears and awareness right".
Now we are going not only using a bell but also yelling. What's the next step. (1) Your Bell (2) Voice (3) Launch a boat flare
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Now we are going not only using a bell but also yelling. What's the next step. (1) Your Bell (2) Voice (3) Launch a boat flare
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11-01-18, 12:58 PM
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This is getting really entertaining. Pass the popcorn Joey....
When I hear the phrase" I don't care about your opinion", but responds to posts in just a few minutes, usually means something else... Lol
When I hear the phrase" I don't care about your opinion", but responds to posts in just a few minutes, usually means something else... Lol
11-01-18, 01:44 PM
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The reason that they're is so much division in these instances is because everybody has their unique opinion as to what is right or wrong based on their own experiences. What they should do is first determine if there's a law in place. If there is, then any opinions are irrelevant.
For example, when existing a driveway motorist are suppose to stop before they cross the sidewalk, but 9 out of 10 blow across the sidewalk and don't stop until they reach the road. That safety responsibly legally falls onto the motorist first, but its typically the pedestrian (or cyclist) that acts to avoid any incident for obvious reasons.
For example, when existing a driveway motorist are suppose to stop before they cross the sidewalk, but 9 out of 10 blow across the sidewalk and don't stop until they reach the road. That safety responsibly legally falls onto the motorist first, but its typically the pedestrian (or cyclist) that acts to avoid any incident for obvious reasons.
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The reason that they're is so much division in these instances is because everybody has their unique opinion as to what is right or wrong based on their own experiences. What they should do is first determine if there's a law in place. If there is, then any opinions are irrelevant.
For example, when existing a driveway motorist are suppose to stop before they cross the sidewalk, but 9 out of 10 blow across the sidewalk and don't stop until they reach the road. That safety responsibly legally falls onto the motorist first, but its typically the pedestrian (or cyclist) that acts to avoid any incident for obvious reasons.
For example, when existing a driveway motorist are suppose to stop before they cross the sidewalk, but 9 out of 10 blow across the sidewalk and don't stop until they reach the road. That safety responsibly legally falls onto the motorist first, but its typically the pedestrian (or cyclist) that acts to avoid any incident for obvious reasons.
The good news about living in such a place? When in Rome, do as the Romans! Which is basically anything I feel like doing that has zero affect on other road users.
11-01-18, 02:36 PM
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Every stop-sign in my city is planted in the ground BEFORE the sidewalk. So cars are supposed to stop at the SIDEWALK, look down the sidewalk and the road (if they can see it, often not), then creep up to the cross street and look up and down that before proceeding. I can tell you that other then me, ZERO motorists I have observed do this. Also, a red light in my city means STOP by law. Yet, one to three cars/trucks go through after the light is coal red. Speed LIMIT? Locals call that Speed MINIMUM. The limit is whatever you can get away with.
The good news about living in such a place? When in Rome, do as the Romans! Which is basically anything I feel like doing that has zero affect on other road users.
The good news about living in such a place? When in Rome, do as the Romans! Which is basically anything I feel like doing that has zero affect on other road users.
A red light ALWAYS means stop. But as you say few motorist actually know this and usually don't do so when they're allowed to turn right on red. I gently remind them by pointing WALK sign or crosswalk they've encroached onto.
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11-01-18, 09:18 PM
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Actually crazy pedestrians screaming and cursing is not that bad. There are more physically aggressive and violent ones:
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/05/...-the-hospital/
This cyclist could have died if his head hit the curb.
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/05/...-the-hospital/
On May 14 at around 4:30 p.m., Baker, 63, was biking up Eighth Avenue just north of the Port Authority Bus Terminal. A man walking toward him knocked Baker off his bike, sending him careening to the pavement and inflicting injuries that necessitated a three-day hospital stay.
As he made his way up the block, a man walking in the opposite direction in the bike lane stuck out his elbow, knocked Baker off his bike, and kept walking.
The impact of the fall caused serious injuries. Baker sustained a broken clavicle, two broken ribs, and a collapsed lung.
As he made his way up the block, a man walking in the opposite direction in the bike lane stuck out his elbow, knocked Baker off his bike, and kept walking.
The impact of the fall caused serious injuries. Baker sustained a broken clavicle, two broken ribs, and a collapsed lung.
11-01-18, 09:39 PM
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Actually crazy pedestrians screaming and cursing is not that bad. There are more physically aggressive and violent ones:
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/05/...-the-hospital/
This cyclist could have died if his head hit the curb.
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/05/...-the-hospital/
This cyclist could have died if his head hit the curb.
Hopefully future cities and expansions will "get the memo" and double the space we now allow for growth over the next century.
11-01-18, 11:33 PM
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11-02-18, 05:19 AM
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I commute to work daily.
It was around 6ish this morning. I primarily ride on the rode if possible, but I'm forced to enter the sidewalk to bypass several road barricades that I come across. During these hours in the city in this area it's pretty quiet.
Anyway I was heading down the road and was approaching a vehicle barricade. I veered my bike to the right to jump on the sidewalk. There's a break in the sidewalk where wheelchairs and "wheeled" vehicles can transition onto. Whenever I'm coming behind people I always ring my bell several times. Usually It gets their attention and they either look up from their phone or shift their body with confirmation that they are aware of a cycle presence. There was one lonely woman walking down this wide ass sidewalk and she went ballistic when I jumped on the curb. I had my headphones in so I didn't hear what she said, but she went off as I passed her. I'm assuming she just freaked out at the sudden "bang and pop" as I transition from the road to the curb.
Unfortunately just a few yards after passing her I came to a pedestrian cross sign, she did as well. This is one of those long ass signs that I'm always forced to stay.
Just a little more background, In my city I'm legally allowed to ride on the sidewalk.
Anyway she very angrily came to me and stated "Did you know what you did to me? this was the dialog the pursued.
Woman: Did you know what you did to me?
Me: What, what happened to you?
Woman: You came from there and almost hit me?
Me: I made my bell.
(She had a hispanic accent and honestly I couldn't understand her correctly. At this point I'm infuriated since I don't feel I did anything wrong and she was an idiot for not having basic situational awareness. Then she tries to accuse me for hitting her.)
Woman: And you expect me to hear that? #@$$#$#$ You *******.. #@$#@$ You #@$#@$
Me: F--- You ***** (At this point she starts walking the opposite direction and our distance grows)
(At this point we are probably a block apart as I've already crossed the crosswalk).
Woman: #@$#@$@$#@$
Me: ***** (yelled from across the block)
Woman: #@$#@$#@$# (yelled again from across blocks)
IDK she seemed to want to somehow claim that I physically hit her with my bike when that was never the case. I need to start back on wearing my GoPro.
It was around 6ish this morning. I primarily ride on the rode if possible, but I'm forced to enter the sidewalk to bypass several road barricades that I come across. During these hours in the city in this area it's pretty quiet.
Anyway I was heading down the road and was approaching a vehicle barricade. I veered my bike to the right to jump on the sidewalk. There's a break in the sidewalk where wheelchairs and "wheeled" vehicles can transition onto. Whenever I'm coming behind people I always ring my bell several times. Usually It gets their attention and they either look up from their phone or shift their body with confirmation that they are aware of a cycle presence. There was one lonely woman walking down this wide ass sidewalk and she went ballistic when I jumped on the curb. I had my headphones in so I didn't hear what she said, but she went off as I passed her. I'm assuming she just freaked out at the sudden "bang and pop" as I transition from the road to the curb.
Unfortunately just a few yards after passing her I came to a pedestrian cross sign, she did as well. This is one of those long ass signs that I'm always forced to stay.
Just a little more background, In my city I'm legally allowed to ride on the sidewalk.
Anyway she very angrily came to me and stated "Did you know what you did to me? this was the dialog the pursued.
Woman: Did you know what you did to me?
Me: What, what happened to you?
Woman: You came from there and almost hit me?
Me: I made my bell.
(She had a hispanic accent and honestly I couldn't understand her correctly. At this point I'm infuriated since I don't feel I did anything wrong and she was an idiot for not having basic situational awareness. Then she tries to accuse me for hitting her.)
Woman: And you expect me to hear that? #@$$#$#$ You *******.. #@$#@$ You #@$#@$
Me: F--- You ***** (At this point she starts walking the opposite direction and our distance grows)
(At this point we are probably a block apart as I've already crossed the crosswalk).
Woman: #@$#@$@$#@$
Me: ***** (yelled from across the block)
Woman: #@$#@$#@$# (yelled again from across blocks)
IDK she seemed to want to somehow claim that I physically hit her with my bike when that was never the case. I need to start back on wearing my GoPro.
BTW, isn't it rather ironic that the OP mentions he couldn't hear the pedestrian yelling because of his headphones, then complains because the pedestrian is "the type of woman" who doesn't exercise her responsibility to listen?
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11-02-18, 08:06 AM
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The reason that they're is so much division in these instances is because everybody has their unique opinion as to what is right or wrong based on their own experiences. What they should do is first determine if there's a law in place. If there is, then any opinions are irrelevant.
For example, when existing a driveway motorist are suppose to stop before they cross the sidewalk, but 9 out of 10 blow across the sidewalk and don't stop until they reach the road. That safety responsibly legally falls onto the motorist first, but its typically the pedestrian (or cyclist) that acts to avoid any incident for obvious reasons.
For example, when existing a driveway motorist are suppose to stop before they cross the sidewalk, but 9 out of 10 blow across the sidewalk and don't stop until they reach the road. That safety responsibly legally falls onto the motorist first, but its typically the pedestrian (or cyclist) that acts to avoid any incident for obvious reasons.
11-02-18, 08:16 AM
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Naw, more like this.
11-04-18, 04:21 PM
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Am I the only person who would much rather have a human voice call out than a bell ring? I hate bells--they vary so much in volume that they're really difficult to locate behind you, and they really don't tell you what the rider is doing.
I use a fairly loud "passing on your left". Completely nonambiguous, very easy to say. Just saying "left" confuses people who don't know the drill.
I use a fairly loud "passing on your left". Completely nonambiguous, very easy to say. Just saying "left" confuses people who don't know the drill.
And as one is manning, according to law, a vehicle, it is the responsibility to, when coming upon a pedestrian or other cyclist, not to assume they understand what we want by ringing a bell; you use your voice to announce your intention. That’s simple courtesy, and what we owe our fellow cyclists, lest we want to be thought of as rude.
Technically speaking, a sidewalk is a pedestrian conveyance. I’m not sure what sort of “city” allows sidewalk cycling (it would earn you a ticket in Nee York, without exception), but it’s still, foremost, a pedestrian conveyance; so if you ride on ome—“legally” or not—pedestrians deserve better courtesy than a “get out of my way” bell.
And her “Hispanic accent?” Not sure what that contributes to the story, save for what you feel is somehow salient to your “point.” But given your own lacking grammatical command—and poorly-rationalized behavior—you probably should have back-pocketed that nonsense.
11-04-18, 04:24 PM
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I just reread the OP. He actually loudly passed a pedestrian on a sidewalk just so he could wait a little longer at a stoplight that was "a few yards" from where he passed her (he had the confrontation because the pedestrian caught up to him at the light). He actually had no good reason to pass her at that point, and I definitely wouldn't do that in the circumstances. I take to the sidewalk very reluctantly, and pass pedestrians on them only if they're indicating it's ok. Sidewalks just aren't paths or roads, and are not designed for faster biking to mix with walking.
BTW, isn't it rather ironic that the OP mentions he couldn't hear the pedestrian yelling because of his headphones, then complains because the pedestrian is "the type of woman" who doesn't exercise her responsibility to listen?
BTW, isn't it rather ironic that the OP mentions he couldn't hear the pedestrian yelling because of his headphones, then complains because the pedestrian is "the type of woman" who doesn't exercise her responsibility to listen?
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My bell clearly states to pedestrians: "I AM HERE...Please don't jump IN MY WAY". My voice is for when pedestrians are blocking the entire path/road/sidewalk "Why do I have to BEG you for my space?"
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You also need to get the blasted ear plugs out of your ears while biking REGARDLESS of other factors. And I do not see where the road-rage you participated in did you (or her) any good.
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11-05-18, 02:09 PM
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Your first mistake is assuming it’s your (sorry—I don’t employ screaming caps for emphasis) space. At best, it’s a shared resource, but because you don’t want to take the trouble to ride around the barriers of the road—that’s built for vehicles, which bicycles are—you decided you belong on the sidewalk. It’s not a conclusion most cyclists reach, not only because it’s illegal in most places, but because, as functional riders, we learn to anticipate such hazards—and to deal with them rather more directly. I’m not sure why you don’t learn to work with them, but just because you choose not to is not rationale for believing the sidewalk is automatically yours to dominate.
And the idea of “dominating” brings me to a second point: that of the way you choose to communicate—or not communicate. Wearing headphones is a de facto manner of communicating a willingness not to engage, and for the reasonable, hearing who and what are around you, and negotiating by exchange when one party has shut off his hearing makes that negotiation moot. You admit you didn’t hear the pedestrian in this case; next time it may be someone in a car who you’d probably assume should be looking out for you when you swerve or otherwise don’t signal your intentions. A car won’t hear your damned bell.
You assumed that belling and yelling at a pedestrian who had “possession” of the sidewalk prior to you is sufficient to negotiating her moving to let you barrel through. Most pedestrians would find that unreasonable. Why? Because sidewalks are built principally for them; otherwise, you’d be negotiating around them in the road, or on the shoulder of one.
What you communicated could hardly be construed as “begging,” but asking and thanking someone more vulnerable than you would probably have elicited the right of way you wanted; but by no means were you entitled to it—not even by the so-called “law” you claim exists.
Whatever municipality you’re referring to in this case probably has bicycle use of the sidewalks spelled out, including what courtesies need be applied when sharing the conveyance with pedestrians. Your flawed rationale would never hold up in a court of law, so you should probably avail yourself of it.