Bike computers are worthless. Change my mind.
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I'm still scratching my head over Strava not doing heart rate. I have a free account, and I can record heart rate on Strava. Apparently OP has an equipment problem and is blaming Strava instead of figuring out why he's not sending HR data.
Smart phones do the same job recording your route, but they sure use batteries faster. And of course they require an account with data. I'm a dinosaur and don't have a personal cell phone. That would cost money every month.
Smart phones do the same job recording your route, but they sure use batteries faster. And of course they require an account with data. I'm a dinosaur and don't have a personal cell phone. That would cost money every month.
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No ANT+ on a smart phone, and that’s a deal breaker for a lot of my older sensors and HRMs.
Also the bike computer will work under more extreme temperatures and weather, as most smart phones will start to overheat and shutdown at around 95’F, which is easy to do if it is sitting in the sun on your handlebars on a hot day. The Garmin edge has an operating temperature of 140’F, which is way past mine. The same is true at the low temperature end as well where a smart phone ‘gives up’ around 32F while most bike computers operate at far lower temperatures.
Phones are just not made to sit out in difficult environments like on handlebars for a long period.
But to each his own I suppose.
Also the bike computer will work under more extreme temperatures and weather, as most smart phones will start to overheat and shutdown at around 95’F, which is easy to do if it is sitting in the sun on your handlebars on a hot day. The Garmin edge has an operating temperature of 140’F, which is way past mine. The same is true at the low temperature end as well where a smart phone ‘gives up’ around 32F while most bike computers operate at far lower temperatures.
Phones are just not made to sit out in difficult environments like on handlebars for a long period.
But to each his own I suppose.
But all the better smart phones have ANT.
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I roll with non GPS cateye computers. All I use them for is odometer, trip mileage, and elapsed rolling time. I find them to be more accurate and consistent than GPS for mileage and speed.
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I like a basic computer for my bike. Current speed, maximum speed,average speed, trip distance and odometer are all that I require. If I want heart rate I'll wear my dedicated heart rate monitor which is a chest strap unit and is EKG accurate.
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I only used the Miles data total & trip reset able counters, when on bike tours..
Write down the total before you change the battery..
Write down the total before you change the battery..
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For me bike computers like a Cateye are worthless. A PITA to set up. I use a basic Garmin and upload the data to Strava so I can compare my rides/segments to previous months and years. Also keeps track of my total miles.
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As sure as one can be after reading data from ANT sensors through a phone......
That is getting moot anyway since newer sensors move to BT, or dual ANT and BT.
A lot of the discussion here revolves around old stuff. If you plan to buy new modern equipment that isn't bottom of the barrel, many of the problems mentioned here are non existent. Much here is like saying cars don't work well because carburetors are finicky. No, ****, that's why they got abandoned long time ago.
That is getting moot anyway since newer sensors move to BT, or dual ANT and BT.
A lot of the discussion here revolves around old stuff. If you plan to buy new modern equipment that isn't bottom of the barrel, many of the problems mentioned here are non existent. Much here is like saying cars don't work well because carburetors are finicky. No, ****, that's why they got abandoned long time ago.
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I just replaced my Garmin 510 with a 530 and found the 530 lets me know how many times I shifted each derailleur.
I can't imagine how I lived without that.
But I do like the basic functions of HR, speed, cadence, distance, calories and others. I also like that it uploads all this info and routes to the internet.
I can't imagine how I lived without that.
But I do like the basic functions of HR, speed, cadence, distance, calories and others. I also like that it uploads all this info and routes to the internet.
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Reminds me of when I got my Flight Deck back in 2001. Told me what gear combination I was in. Thank you, Jesus. Worked great until it didn’t. One day during a charity ride it started to rain. Thing went haywire. Speed reading went up and down. At one point it had me going 60 mph up a steep hill. Eventually cut out, but for a while my average speed was quite impressive.
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If you can't get nav going on your 520, you're doing it wrong.
I agree that the 520 has bad limitations. I don't think any other modern bike computer has nearly as bad battery life and map storage issues.
The last thing most people want is to drain their phone batteries even more when out riding, so no thanks to that alternative.
I agree that the 520 has bad limitations. I don't think any other modern bike computer has nearly as bad battery life and map storage issues.
The last thing most people want is to drain their phone batteries even more when out riding, so no thanks to that alternative.
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Game consoles are better at games than PC based. The new Crew Dragon is not using iPads with apps installed
Want to make your phone battery last longer.. remove all the "bloatware" put on by your carrier and stop all the apps that run int he background that you don't use regularly. Change permissions so they're only active when you're using the app. Too many are checking location and for updates all the time.
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Power meter data (3 sec avg) is practically all I ever look at on my Garmin 520 while riding, and sometimes heart rate. I also set the "High Power Alarm" in the Garmin, when I know it's a recovery day/week and I don't want to over-exert myself. I also like to have navigation running with the alerts on screen. And I want battery life to exceed 4-5 hours, without having to recharge. Convince me that there's an Android app that will do these things.
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I'm still scratching my head over Strava not doing heart rate. I have a free account, and I can record heart rate on Strava. Apparently OP has an equipment problem and is blaming Strava instead of figuring out why he's not sending HR data.
Smart phones do the same job recording your route, but they sure use batteries faster. And of course they require an account with data. I'm a dinosaur and don't have a personal cell phone. That would cost money every month.
Smart phones do the same job recording your route, but they sure use batteries faster. And of course they require an account with data. I'm a dinosaur and don't have a personal cell phone. That would cost money every month.
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OP is misleading, there's a difference between "any bike computer is worthless" and "anything over $50 is worthless vs my phone".
I'll take on #2 . A new phone could be up to $1000 out of pocket if you screw it up without insurance coverage, with insurance coverage it is easily the cost of a usable bike computer.
Plenty of decent bike computers at $200 or less. I'll take my chances on a device designed to be outdoors bouncing around and rained on versus a bulky Otterbox and compromise combo of cases to make my phone work.
A phone is super freaking fragile.
Yes "quadlock" et al........whatever. It's still a $50 mount holding up a $1000 phone in an environment it was never intended for.
A tool for every task. I'd honestly rather people ride with the phone in a jersey pocket inside of a ziploc sandwich baggie and no bike computer than with a phone prominently displayed as some kind of Tesla-esque massive touchscreen display.
Yeah, the toughmen cyclists of old did it all with no tech. But if you want tech, and you can afford a $1000 phone..........you can certainly afford a purpose built bike computer.
If you can afford a $1000 phone, a $20 bike computer is an insult to logic. I'd say if you're willing to spend $1000 on a phone you should be more than OK swinging $230 on an Elemnt Bolt.
It's just nonsensical to be so crotchety on purpose.
I'll take on #2 . A new phone could be up to $1000 out of pocket if you screw it up without insurance coverage, with insurance coverage it is easily the cost of a usable bike computer.
Plenty of decent bike computers at $200 or less. I'll take my chances on a device designed to be outdoors bouncing around and rained on versus a bulky Otterbox and compromise combo of cases to make my phone work.
A phone is super freaking fragile.
Yes "quadlock" et al........whatever. It's still a $50 mount holding up a $1000 phone in an environment it was never intended for.
A tool for every task. I'd honestly rather people ride with the phone in a jersey pocket inside of a ziploc sandwich baggie and no bike computer than with a phone prominently displayed as some kind of Tesla-esque massive touchscreen display.
Yeah, the toughmen cyclists of old did it all with no tech. But if you want tech, and you can afford a $1000 phone..........you can certainly afford a purpose built bike computer.
If you can afford a $1000 phone, a $20 bike computer is an insult to logic. I'd say if you're willing to spend $1000 on a phone you should be more than OK swinging $230 on an Elemnt Bolt.
It's just nonsensical to be so crotchety on purpose.
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When on tour in unfamiliar places I rely on PGS-paper guidance system. Also known as cue sheets. I started doing that after learning the hard way that a phone isn’t useful for starting a 🔥
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And once again, the OP tosses out a bone and watches everyone scrap for it. Yes, the discussion of whether to use a computer of some sort may be interesting, but “Change my mind”? Go away.
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As sure as one can be after reading data from ANT sensors through a phone......
That is getting moot anyway since newer sensors move to BT, or dual ANT and BT.
A lot of the discussion here revolves around old stuff. If you plan to buy new modern equipment that isn't bottom of the barrel, many of the problems mentioned here are non existent. Much here is like saying cars don't work well because carburetors are finicky. No, ****, that's why they got abandoned long time ago.
That is getting moot anyway since newer sensors move to BT, or dual ANT and BT.
A lot of the discussion here revolves around old stuff. If you plan to buy new modern equipment that isn't bottom of the barrel, many of the problems mentioned here are non existent. Much here is like saying cars don't work well because carburetors are finicky. No, ****, that's why they got abandoned long time ago.
As technology marches on the sensor and phone matchup might become a no-brainer. Any new stuff I make sure is Bluetooth 4+/BLE capable. Phone ruggedness can improve along with maybe an increase in battery life from better battery technology and better brighter OLED displays for direct sunlight and the phone will be the go to choice for your bike computer. I remember when no one thought phone cameras would ever replace point-and-shoot cameras, or you would 100% freak out if even a little liquid got anywhere near your phone.
Just don’t think it’s quite there today as the easiest and most rugged plug and play solution for cycling. For example some phones may have ANT+ hardware but no ANT+ protocol loaded in the firmware so you would have to patch that yourself.
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Broccoli is incredibly healthy, especially for gut bacteria.
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Oh and with regards to the thread, I use my phone with Wahoo Fitness app to monitor my HR, cadence and power currently. It works great. But I will still buy a computer at some time because if I fall chances of the phone breaking something are just too high, as well as the fact that in the sun you need the display brightness high to see anything and that drains the battery fast. Oh and they are un-aero af.
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Oh and with regards to the thread, I use my phone with Wahoo Fitness app to monitor my HR, cadence and power currently. It works great. But I will still buy a computer at some time because if I fall chances of the phone breaking something are just too high, as well as the fact that in the sun you need the display brightness high to see anything and that drains the battery fast. Oh and they are un-aero af.
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The biggest reason I am getting a computer for my bike is battery. I am going with a non-gps unit for a 6 month ish battery. Half my riding is at night and charge lights every other ride typically. I don't need something else to remember to charge.
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Unimaginative trolling is worthless. Change my mind ...
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I've found that I do just fine with my phone and a small battery charger, and that my phones have survived multiple mishaps including getting hit by a car and just plain getting dropped on the road. I feel I have to carry my phone anyway for various reasons having little to do with bicycling, so I don't want to add another device.
I can't for the life of me imagine wanting to pick an argument with someone who likes and/or needs their GPS--I don't care what they think I need, and I have no idea what they do or do not need so why should they care about what I think on the subject?
This is like someone chose as a debate topic: "Resolved: Starkist is Superior to Chicken of the Sea."
I can't for the life of me imagine wanting to pick an argument with someone who likes and/or needs their GPS--I don't care what they think I need, and I have no idea what they do or do not need so why should they care about what I think on the subject?
This is like someone chose as a debate topic: "Resolved: Starkist is Superior to Chicken of the Sea."
Is there an echo in here?