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I think the several Shimergo builds in my herd (10-speed Campy brifters, 8-speed Shimano drivetrain) might wreck this paradigm.
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this whole thing is about as exciting as getting a lint roller for christmas.
this whole thing is about as exciting as getting a lint roller for christmas.
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I even have a couple of brifterized bikes, that came to me that way, built up from nice custom frames, by guys like Davidson. I know I could convert them to DT shifters easily enough, but am too lazy to do so. This thread has only served to remind me what a terrible person I am.
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Seems like a solution in search of a problem..I'd dump it..with all due respect..I know the mods do a lot of good work here.
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I think its great. We should thank the Mods and let them know much we're looking forward to all the relevant content on C+V being moved to the new forum. I also look forward to helping out by reporting any posts that touch on "Early Brifter Bikes - 7,8, and 9 Speed" related topics, so that they can be moved to the proper venue. Of course that's just me being silly, or is it?.....
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Thanks folks for not directing negativity at me!
But 'water off a duck's back' comes to mind or 'thick skinned'.
And thanks to SBW and BikeForum and the mods.
I think it has a place. Maybe C&V, not to offend Purists, who suffer/endure RestoMod bike threads. AND - You certainly get 'heckled'(?) posting a 90s/early00s bike in Road, so not there.
Reading this thread makes me think - Change is hard when the rut is comfortable.
FWIW = I never, ever used the word 'brifters' in my many (over th years) requests for an 8/9/10 (sub)Forum. See - even I did not get everything I wanted. - OMG, where to post 10speed roadies? What ever will I do? Life goes on. Ride all your bikes, regardless of where you post 'em..
My late 90's Pinarello Cadore has a home.
But 'water off a duck's back' comes to mind or 'thick skinned'.
And thanks to SBW and BikeForum and the mods.
I think it has a place. Maybe C&V, not to offend Purists, who suffer/endure RestoMod bike threads. AND - You certainly get 'heckled'(?) posting a 90s/early00s bike in Road, so not there.
Reading this thread makes me think - Change is hard when the rut is comfortable.
FWIW = I never, ever used the word 'brifters' in my many (over th years) requests for an 8/9/10 (sub)Forum. See - even I did not get everything I wanted. - OMG, where to post 10speed roadies? What ever will I do? Life goes on. Ride all your bikes, regardless of where you post 'em..
My late 90's Pinarello Cadore has a home.
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Brifter.
I'm only here to use that term.
BrifterBrifterBrifter.
Brift
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I'm only here to use that term.
BrifterBrifterBrifter.
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...I am conflicted. There is a part of me that feels indexed shifting was the beginning of the end for the classic criterium bike. Yet another part of me so much loves Shimano indexing that he has either maintained it or installed it on a number of his own bicycles. Sometimes, I am shamed by this massive bit of hypocrisy on my part. And I am not easily shamed.
Basically, there are two ways of looking at this: (a) Does the topic discussed in some thread meet the rules for posting in this forum? (b) Are the people who make up the community for this forum interested in some thread? Apart from Bike Forums policies on sales postings and general moderator peacekeeping, I think the second question is the more important one.
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personally, i think this should be the first to go: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...i-s-ergos.html
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But what if someone has put 11-speed electronic shifters on a classic Schwinn Paramount (I'm looking at you @RiddleOfSteel)? That certainly doesn't meet the requirements for the new forum. I also think we need a thread in the new forum for late 90's bikes with friction shifting.
Friction-era and Indexed-era C&V, while a clear delineation, has its overlapping years (depending on company and position in the lineup) in the mid-'80s, and there is considerable thread volume dedicated to this decade of bike for many reasons, one being that they're still available to buy and build.
Is this the beginning of trying to figure the future out? 50 years from now, a 2021 bike will be C&V by age qualification, like much of what we've seen happen here. Like any or many new endeavors, coming to a concise and clear definition of a new category (in this case) takes a little bit of time and thus evolves into more or less its final form.
Early/"classic" era of STI/Ergo bikes (7-10 speed, the silver/polished ones)--say 1990 to ~2010/whenever Dura-Ace 7900 debuted--is an era not particularly well-known in general, and certainly not by me, as far as models go. I know the tech pretty well as I've used it, minus SRAM (dagnabbit). Catalogs can get iffy here, and production of Very Tall bikes during this era, outside of Cannondale, is essentially zero.
I do see credence to the starting of a subforum of bikes that have their origin in the '90s and '00s, as that group and those riders/owners, like before, will only grow. Would I migrate over old threads from C&V to this new one? Only if the bikes were demonstrably of that era to begin with. Updated C&V bikes, like my beautiful-yet-heretical creations both past and present, would remain or be "grandfathered in." Maybe the C&V and Early Era Brifter subforums have year delineations to help those new to bikes? Tough call--this is a "What do we want the future to be?" moment for sure. Live and in...pixels!
So that will be the question: does C&V split off to preserve era definitions, or do we become the Grupetto for all bikes 20-25 years and older?
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Wait....people actually report threads here??
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Right... What to do about all those pesky briftercated drop bar mountain bikes?
I don't feel strongly about this either way, but I do think its one of those situation where some one has decided to rearrange the furniture with out any consideration of the larger desire path of the community "traffic".
I don't feel strongly about this either way, but I do think its one of those situation where some one has decided to rearrange the furniture with out any consideration of the larger desire path of the community "traffic".
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Is this the beginning of trying to figure the future out? 50 years from now, a 2021 bike will be C&V by age qualification, like much of what we've seen happen here. Like any or many new endeavors, coming to a concise and clear definition of a new category (in this case) takes a little bit of time and thus evolves into more or less its final form.
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Perhaps C&V will be the era of predominantly steel (production) frames. It might be 2K or 2020. Pre-pandemic? Assuming you believe there was a pandemic. (You see @Siu Blue Wind? we need P&R, )
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I think by its nature, the definition of 'classic' will drift with the passage of time. Just as 'classic car' once only referred to pre-WW2 cars. With time it came to include 50's era cars. Nowadays they have car shows for 80's cars- and they are appreciating rapidly in value too.
Same with bikes. Some people think a classic bike should only have non-aero brake levers. But that would exclude a whole chunk of late 80's bikes which came from aero levers from the factory. Others think classic bikes should only have toe-clips, etc. I think we should just let everyone define what 'classic' means for himself. If you think your bike belongs here then it belongs here. I don't see any point in separating out brifter bikes and kicking them out of the C&V forum.
Same with bikes. Some people think a classic bike should only have non-aero brake levers. But that would exclude a whole chunk of late 80's bikes which came from aero levers from the factory. Others think classic bikes should only have toe-clips, etc. I think we should just let everyone define what 'classic' means for himself. If you think your bike belongs here then it belongs here. I don't see any point in separating out brifter bikes and kicking them out of the C&V forum.
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I had a really nicely worded, community oriented explanation of why I thought the brifter forum was not the best idea- and then I read Wildwood's post and it pissed me off. **** that. I have enough things to do and I waste enough time on the internet; I don't need to waste more time looking at yet another forum because you think your special bike deserves a more special home or you don't know where to post it.
It's an old bike- it goes in C&V- post your pix there, buck up, scroll past the **** you don't want to look at. Just like everyone else.
This siphons off things that potentially interest me to a place that I'm not going to look- when it really does belong here.
It's an old bike- it goes in C&V- post your pix there, buck up, scroll past the **** you don't want to look at. Just like everyone else.
This siphons off things that potentially interest me to a place that I'm not going to look- when it really does belong here.
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