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Old 02-12-22, 07:34 AM
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Interesting brazing & magnets!

Yesterday I was working on the rear rack for my wife's bike. I was using a few rare earth magnets to hold some tubing while I talked the joint. One fell off as soon as I finished and afterwards I found that they had lost their magnetic force.
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Yes, I discovered that heat kills magnets exactly the same way. Gets those electrons spinning around like crazy
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/QA/listing.php?id=2744
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You found "critical temperature"! The heat energy allows the once aligned electrons to run free and un-aligned.

I use this to heat treat blades as a temperature measurement; heat to critical (usually orange-red) and a magnet no longer sticks to the blade steel, and you know it's time for an exciting dunk into coolant.
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It's really hard to hit that temperature a motor when you are trying to make one fail.

I have some Strong Hand grasshopper welding fingers that are nice, but sticking them to the same tube as you're working on is probably a bad idea.

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Alnico

Alnico magnets are what you need. My magnets are six or seven years old and going strong. You have to limit the heat into the magnet, I have only used them with silver (45-56%) rod.
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You exceeded the Curie point with the brazing heat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_temperature
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
You exceeded the Curie point with the brazing heat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_temperature
Interesting that Curie studied this.

It's been known by smiths for centuries. Really highlights the difference between the public exchange in science and private proprietary technology (Old guilds held the heat treat IP closely).
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