rothenfield1

As coincidence would have it, I had bought this 6400 group about the time of this post. It arrived today and I thought that it would be appropriate to post the photos. Note, the brake levers are 6401 for some reason.

mcarter

That is one clean group! That's the 7 speed...visibly, the front derailleur and the brake calipers are different from the 8 speed. I can't tell any difference between the 6400 and 6401 rear derailleurs. The brake levers are 6401 but the 7 speed dt are 6400. The 8 speed dt shifters are 6401. That looks really nice! What's it going on?

RobbieTunes

Beautiful group. I see you've got the flat backing collar, and are missing one.
If you plan to put that on a steel bike, you may need a set of the concave backing collars.
Perhaps someone here can track down a set for you?

The only difference I know of in the RD's of the 6400 series is in the outer pulley cage. I've seen the "solid" outer cage as pictured on Jeff's group, and I've seen the "see-through" outer cage. Anyone know which/when? Or have an example of the tricolor RD without the "solid" outer pulley cage?

Grim

Some of my collection.
I have 2 complete other then hubs 600 Arabesque groups. Unfortunatly not in the best of shape. This is the Ross weird set with the triple cranks.
Near new condition Tri Color Crank set in box. Mid 90's 8 speed

Near new condition 8 speed short Tricolor RD


Looking for a matching front derailleur a, heck whole group but those two pieces are the hardest to find in that condition.

I also have a complete including hubs 105SC group with brifters and a couple extra bits including a newer triple. Really like that stuff. The understate logos on the SC before they put that cartoonish yellow 105 logo on it I like much better . For the time being it may end up on the OPUSIII

Bikedued

I have a 600 group floating around in my stash somewhere, that seems to be fit between the 85ish flat grey and tricolor. though I have rarely seen it anywhere else. The RD looks JUST like the 85ish EX, but has a clear plastic plate, with internal raised chrome letters. It doesn't seem to be index compatible either, IE no floating upper jockey wheel. I hooked it up to an indexed shifter and it wouldn't shift correctly. I am going to try and find it today, although that may be a monumental task, hehe.,,,,BD

Grim

The One I just posted is a TA date code (Jan 95) and a 6401 model.

Bikedued

Oh and how about a real oddity?? Has anyone ever seen a set of CLAMP ON 600 tricolor shifters? I don't recognize the clamping band, and it's not the older type. the mounting bases are slotted to fit the band. They're the dark grey gloss, shaped like tricolor, and they're SIX speed indexed. The cables go in from the inner edge near the base, and have a little matching plastic clip cover to hide the cable end. I got them in a jumble of parts a while back. pics coming as well for these.,,,,BD

The underside of one of the shifters is stamped SL-6400

T-Mar

The solid cage/aero cage is the RD-6400, 7 speed rear derailleur. The 8 speed RD-6401 has the see-though/tragitional cage. The changeover took place in 1992.

T-Mar

Band/clamp mount shifters were still offered the with the 7 speed version but disappeared with the introduction of 8 speed. It was intended primarily as an upgrade option for older frames. Remember , SIS was only entering it's 4th year when 600 Ultegra was introduced, so there was still a relatively large retro-fit market

mcarter

That's what I love about this forum...learn new stuff all the time!

Oregon Southpaw

Not just because of this thread (well maybe): ISO full 8-speed tri-color group

Orrery

^I remember seeing one on the Serotta forum classifieds recently. No connection.

RobbieTunes

I just sent the ISO to a guy who emailed me with one.

JesusBananas

Wow, that is a very nice looking group! Was it NOS?

trekKiller

PM me if you're interested, I have a whole gruppo.

rothenfield1

I picked up a mistreated ’88 Miyata 912. The original 6400 group is very ugly, but the frame is straight and dent free. While the frame will never be a real beauty again, citrus stripper and polishing compound is bringing back to life that tough Miyata finish. Maybe one day I’ll see if I can find decals for it. I was quite fortunate to find this beautiful 6400 group which included a Wolber T 430 Alpine wheelset that was original to the ’88 912. Regardless of how the frame finish comes out, this clean 6400 group will make this one ugly bada*s ride.

JesusBananas

If your post is intended just for Southpaw, PMs are generally better.

illwafer

can we please stop talking about shimano 600?

it is easily the best deal in vintage parts. pick your part, you can generally get them for $5-$10. cranks for under $25 most of the time.

mcarter

As mint as that group is it would definitely be worth some decals and a new paint job! Either way it will be a great bike. Enjoy it!

Bikedued

I have an 8 spd 105 group that has the solid cage, so maybe that only applied to the 600 groups? the group came off of a Nishiki TT bike ,,,,BD

Pics of the 6 speed index shifters soon. I didn't get pics of the RD. I spent most of the day out, and it's nearly dark Possibly tomorrow after I glue the second tubular for the Ace.

miamijim

Shimano 600 RD-6100 1982
Shimano 600 RD-6101 1982
Shimano 600EX RD-6200 1982-1984
Shimano 600EX RD-6207 1984
Shimano 600EX RD-6207-GS 1984-1986
Shimano 600EX RD-6210 1982-1984
Shimano 600AX RD-6300 1982-1984
600 Ultegra RD-6400 1988-1991
600 Ultegra RD-6401 1992-1997
Ultegra RD-6500-GS 1998-2004
Ultegra RD-6500-GS/SS 1998-2004
Ultegra RD-6500-SS 1998-2004
Ultegra RD-6600-GS 2005-2006
Ultegra RD-6600-GS/SS 2005-2006
Ultegra RD-6600-SS 2005-2006

miamijim

Rear hub looks to be HG compatible as the splines run full length. Gently, gently pry the drive side dust cap off, if there're internal threads it's UG/HG. 126mm would be 7s only while a 130 hub would be 7/8/9/10s.

RobbieTunes

It isn't, and you're gonna get me in hot water. See if you can shrink it to "PM me, I have a tricolor group."

Thanks.

RobbieTunes

Something was on the '87 Ironman Master, some sort of 600EX.

RobbieTunes

I refer you to the title of the thread. We're attempting to drive the price up.