WhatTheDelromi

Hello! I recently picked up a late 70s Ciöcc 10-speed. I love it. Its perfectly beat up for semi-worry free street parking.

Someone at some point upgraded the brakes and shifters to integrated Shimanos. They need to be replaced.

My first instinct was to go back to the original vintage Campagnolo parts, but the idea of new integrated solution has its appeal.

Curious to know what others opinions are on here and if I go integrated, what brands do you like. I haven't always had good experience with Shimano.

Cheers.

tricky 

Why do the shifters need to be replaced? Just your preference or are they broken? If they aren't shifting, sometimes you can get a little more life out of them by flushing them solvent followed up by some lube. There are a few threads here about that.

If you are going to go ahead with replacement, are these actual 10 speed shifters, i.e. 10 cogs on the rear cassette, or are you using "10 speed" in the old school sense to mean "road bike"? If it's an actual 10 speed cassette, you can still find 10 speed Shimano shifters but you'll need to watch out for some incompatibilities across Shimano 10 speed shifters and derailleurs. See below for more info.

• All 10-speed road components (except Tiagra 4700 and 10-speed GRX gravel, see below) are inter-compatible – you could for example use an old Ultegra 6700 derailleur with old 105 5700 shifters

from: https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buy...r-derailleurs/


Vintage vs modern shifters are a preference. I prefer modern shifters on bikes I ride often. If I had space for a bunch of bikes I might have a vintage build with downtube shifters, but in general I prefer integrated brake and shift levers for putting down miles. Lots in this subforum prefer downtube friction shifters and would steer you that direction. Up to you, depends on your preferences, situation and goals (budget, current state of your existing parts, racing ambitions, ability to work on your own stuff, etc.)

Erzulis Boat 

I did a compromise recently, and went with indexed downtube shifters on a Serotta. I can get my "vintage" kicks in, and get a touch closer to modern setups at the same time.



They work incredibly well. Note that they are Shimano. I am not 100% sure, but Campagnolo indexed stuff was notoriously bad (word on the street) I never did ride Campagnolo indexed, I went from friction to Ergo, so hopefully someone chimes in about Campy indexed.

WhatTheDelromi

@tricky Thanks for your input. It's actually a 9-speed (9 cogs in the rear). I was just using 10-speed out of habit. I thinking of going with new components since these ones are 20 years old and in poor condition. The bike is new to me, so I'd rather invest a little in a more longterm approach. Thanks again.

SurferRosa

"Upgrade??"

"Playoffs??"

"Refund?? Refund??"

WhatTheDelromi

Hah! I watched Breaking Away (again) this 4th of July.

repechage

reference Microshift

mstateglfr 

All my older road frames have been updated with integrated shifting for the last handful of years because I am more interested in usability than period correctness and find integrated shifting to be very usable.
Along these lines- I also use modern gear ranges.

Shimano is the obvious choice. I have used Microshift(and micronew) on 4 builds and like their style of shifting too. Those are significantly less expensive than modern Shimano, but you have exposed shift cables with Microshift.
One other option- indexed bar end shifters. Not integrated, sure, but also not located on the downtube.

WhatTheDelromi

Thanks for the perspective. Seems like Shimano is the way to go.

Flatforkcrown

It’s a nice Italian bike, why not a campy group? I prefer ergo because the brake lever isn’t also the shifter.

SJX426 

And you can easily rebuild them with some parts still available. And the cable is under the bar wrap. And it is more money. And it may be harder to find parts. And it is Campagnolo (Italian).

There are a ton of Superbe Pro parts on the bay as a second option. Just have to use index DTs.

Trakhak

My reaction to the sight of downtube shifters ranges between neutrality and pity, depending on my mood. But then, I used downtube friction shifters for decades, because that's what high-end racing bikes came with.

Andy_K 

I'm a big fan of 10-speed Campagnolo Ergo shifters. Here's a gratuitous picture to make the thread more visually appealing.



Shimano stuff works well enough, though the new parts are a bit ugly. Here's one of my Italians with 5700-series 105 components for reference.



The newer stuff is just too blocky, IMO.