webike4fun

I feel the need for a Tommasini and there this one. Contacted buyer and there is some wiggle room in price:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

bici_mania

Wow. That is jaw dropping, breath-taking, spectacular. Good luck, I hope you get it.

Citoyen du Monde

The seller is offering it with the option of making an offer, so there is clearly some wiggle room. He has already received 3 offers below his asking price, so it is quite clear that the wiggle room is not that great.

If you do not go after the Tommasini, you could always consider the following bike: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...hlight=grandis

In my view, the Grandis is a nicer and higher spec frame, the components newer and just as collection worthy (apart from the seatpost) and $400 cheaper.

Italuminium

Beauties, both, though the Thomassini is somewhat tame compared to most more wildly decorated ones that roam these forums.

webike4fun

Now that is nice too!

Chrome Molly

A (somewhat) understated Tomm'i, that's collectible. If it fits, you want, and you can negotiate it down to an acceptable level, then go for it.

KonAaron Snake 

I'd go for the Grandis myself. I've seen that bike in person and it's just magnificent. If I didn't have so many similar bikes...

jiangshi

I know how a Tommasini rides. I have no idea how a Grandis rides.

Tommasini does what they set out to do, and the fact that they are still producing bikes in the same manner speaks volumes.

I have never ridden a Grandis, but have heard good things about them.

If you lust for the Tommasini, buy it. No need to second guess.

bikingshearer 

You're jonesing for a fix and you ask a bunch of fellow addicts if we think you should go for it? What do you think we're going o say.

Seriously, though, if you can afford it, go for it. Make an offer.

And I understand it if the Grandis doesn't get it done for you. This is not to diss on the Grandis or the Tommassini - I've heard wonderful things about both. But if nothing else, the look is different enough such that if you really want one of them, the other might come off as second-best to you. Not in any objective sense, but in a highly subjective sense. The bikes I have now are ones I lusted after in my younger days. Other frames are no doubt every bit as wonderful, and I love looking at other people's, but I don't desire them in nearly the same way. So if you really want a Tommassini, get the Tommassini.

mapleleafs-13 

the tommasini is gorgeous i'd take that over the grandis any day. there's just something about tommasini's

cyclotoine

yes you know how one bicycle ride for you. Sorry, can't put much stock in that.

I like the grandis better "as a rider" I think tommasini has a bit more classic cachet.

thinktubes 

Tommasini, no question.

Popular size and level of finish will retain value well. These frames were pretty pricey new.

Don't expect much wiggle below $1800.

realestvin7

I think that's one of my buddy's bikes (Can't remember his eBay seller ID). If you think that Tommasini is nice, you should see some of his other 50+ bikes.

Citoyen du Monde

Both Tommasini and Grandis have been building for a long time (Tommasini is almost a whole generation younger as brand than Grandis, but given their more production-line building style they have perhaps built more frames than Grandis) and both continue to build both classical and newer design frames. The Tommasini frame on offer is built out of SP tubing, the Grandis uses the newer generation and higher spec Genius tubing. The Genius tubing fits in much higher in the Columbus range. The Grandis frame also uses tubing that is oversized when compared to the Tommasini. The Grandis frame is definitely lighter and more than likely stronger than the Tommasini frame, a benefit of its newer construction. As regards level of componentry, they are both Record, the Tommasini with older 8-speed record as opposed to 9-speed record (the Grandis has Chorus hubs which are in many respects identical to the earlier generation Record found on the Tommasini). The Tommasini comes with a broken spoke on the front wheel (which the seller does not mention!), and given the frequency that C-record hub flanges break when using radial spokes I would prefer to rebuild the front wheel. The Tommasini has a much more attractive and valuable seatpost and a more valuable saddle (although I would not use either of the two saddles myself). The SGR pedals on the Tommasini are not overly loved and the shoe plates are virtually impossible to find. The owner of the Grandis will throw in a set of Shimano SPD pedals (I removed them from the bike for the photos).

Tommasini bikes are much more examples of production bike than are the Grandis. Grandis designed and had their own lugs and BB shell made for the oversized tubing they used.

I agree that the Tommasini has more cachet in North America as it has been more widely sold in North America. Cachet is the result of being seen by people who have looked at it, ridden it or seen their idols riding the bike.

Italuminium

For me, Grandis has more appeal as a brand, since pretty much all I've seen online, plus one off line, combine the traditional virtues of the Italian road bike with an elegant and understated design. I like them more than flashy Colnago's or Thomassini's, but to each his own.

Zieleman

Spoken like a true Dutchman But there are also Italian bikes with a more retained paintscheme out there. I think the Tommasini listed here looks pretty decent, even though that campy group is so flashy it'll blind innocent bystanders. It's some serious money though for a second hand bike

Italuminium

Haha, true. Btw, when I saw the Grandis, it was next to a mint Zieleman in british racing green with full NR...

Zieleman

Oooohh that sounds good! Who won?

rm -rf

The front wheel radial spokes with two skipped holes per side are odd.

Italuminium

Charity ride, no racing, everyone was a winner

both bikes were ridden by beautiful girls, so a wash there as well.

out of chauvinism, I would pick the Zieleman, plus BRG is a great colour (no Yankees, not a color) and probably quite rare on Zielemans.

jiangshi

No, I have experience on a great many bicycles, just not a Grandis. My Tommasini was one of the best riding bikes I ever owned. Have you compared the ride of a Grandis to a Tommasini? If you haven't, i can't put any stock in your reply.

Grand Bois

Look at the road rash on the brifters, rear derailer and pedals on the Tommasini. Near mint? I think not.

Citoyen du Monde

I thought it simply had a broken spoke, but you are indeed right, the front wheel has been built up with a 36 hole hub and a 32 hole rim. Very odd. This is the type of thing that should always be noted in the description.

cyclotoine

No and neither have you. Point made.

cyclotoine

For me the cachet comes from the paint and the traditional sized tubes and chrome fork. That aesthetic is more appealing to the vintage aficionado. Certainly in North America and I would guess that no matter where you went in the world the same would hold true. The grandis has a more modern look due to the larger diameter tubes. I think it is beautiful, I would choose it over the Tommasini also.