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Videos of your training
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Looks like your video is private!
And if we're gonna have a thread for posting our racing/training videos, I've got a lot of unedited ones I can post. Maybe it'll kick my butt into finally stitching them together!
And if we're gonna have a thread for posting our racing/training videos, I've got a lot of unedited ones I can post. Maybe it'll kick my butt into finally stitching them together!
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I'm still sitting on my footage from the Dick Lane velodrome Keirin. I think a "video of you training/racing" thread would be cool.
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Here's a video of a match sprint I did last spring during our Lucarelli & Castaldi 6 days of Kissena series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pghvjMNr1LM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pghvjMNr1LM
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If someone wants to make a thread, make it. Or if you guys want to use this one, that's cool, too.
BTW, you can embed videos from YouTube and Vimeo by using the "Insert Video" button on the posting toolbar (far right).
For example:
This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pghvjMNr1LM
Becomes:
BTW, you can embed videos from YouTube and Vimeo by using the "Insert Video" button on the posting toolbar (far right).
For example:
This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pghvjMNr1LM
Becomes:
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Here's the last few laps of the scratch race at elite National Championships this past year. MarkWW took the video. I'm in green and zebra stripes getting 6th place...
Here are a bunch of videos of local racing that I took.
This one is a good match sprint set:
[video]https://www.facebook.com/secondchanceracing/videos/vb.684565701587528/1018256961551732/?type=2&theater[/ame]
Here's the last few laps of the state champ scratch race (i set my teammate up):
[video]https://www.facebook.com/secondchanceracing/videos/vb.684565701587528/990090367701725/?type=2&theater[/ame]
Here's the end of the women's scratch race state championship with an extremely exciting finish:
Here are a bunch of videos of local racing that I took.
This one is a good match sprint set:
[video]https://www.facebook.com/secondchanceracing/videos/vb.684565701587528/1018256961551732/?type=2&theater[/ame]
Here's the last few laps of the state champ scratch race (i set my teammate up):
[video]https://www.facebook.com/secondchanceracing/videos/vb.684565701587528/990090367701725/?type=2&theater[/ame]
Here's the end of the women's scratch race state championship with an extremely exciting finish:
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Here's the first few races that I recorded, a standard issue Masters and Rookies race day at T-Town. Nothing spectacular, just me trying to get enough upgrade points to move to Category 3 (which I eventually did! ). Though I've taken a video-editing course in the past and have some software to use, I can't for the life of me remember how to use it, so these are largely unedited and contain lots of wind noise and me shoving my face in the camera to make sure it's recording. Please excuse my excessive wheezing and cool-down laps.
Fun fact: I was given a 5-- number upon registering because the dude at registration wasn't paying attention. They had to sort this out at the start of the video. This is a fine example of what happens when your home track has minimal banking and the racers want to kill you from the gun. I grab a few solo laps in the beginning and slowly tire myself out as I'm not a breakaway artist and I normally save that sort of an effort for the last part of the race, rather than the first.
I decided to play this race more cautiously; I figured that the faster guys would do something about that tactic if I played it again. At the start I noticed three young riders all talking. It soon became obvious that they're working together. After some time sitting in, I decide to make a break for the line to grab some points. I come up track and the rider sitting third hears me coming and tells second and first that I'm coming over top. They kick, and start to come out of the sprinter's lane. Not cool. "Hold your line!" I yell, as third nearly makes contact (likely in an effort to dissuade me from attacking). "I'm trying!" he yells. Sure.
This is perhaps the best I've felt doing an Elim, at least since the first one I did during a Try the Track. Elims don't usually treat me well, as I get a little nervous not being able to move around. Nevertheless, I was so surprised to hear that bell as I thought for sure I'd be picked off. Upon review, I did a decent job of 'rushing the gap' on the last lap.
I was a bit disappointed as we had two features planned today, a 25 lap points and a 30 lap. I was hoping to do the 30 since more laps=more fun, right? Early on, I put in an effort to move up into a better position. At around 5:00, I put in an effort to get some points, but I notice nobody else is really fighting for it. Next lap round, I find myself getting passed by loads of people even though I haven't heard a bell. You can hear me say "Wait, what?" into turn 2. I'm still not sure what happened. At 7:10, you can see a junior break away to get an early break for the sprint lap. Really impressive. I kick from a long way back, grab a point or two and then pull up. It's become apparent to me that one thing I need to work on is sticking with the group after a sprint lap and not just pulling up. Hearing the next bell at around 9:40, I start to get ansty to attack. A benefit of reviewing videos is seeing my mistakes. Had this not been a sprint lap, moving up and around Mr. Red Fuji would have been a mistake as he more than likely would have swung up in turn 2. By going over him I could have missed an opportunity to stay in his draft and could have potentially caused a collision. One favorite memory of mine of last season happened at around 12:30. After just having sprinted over the line, I swung up, made a quick head check after two riders went underneath, saw a me-sized space and quickly dropped into it. I was impressed with how smoothly I was able to execute that move given that I'd lost most of the feeling in my legs at that point. We hear the next bell at 14:00. As we cross the line, the PRR rider ahead seems to slow, come out of lane, then accelerate. I'm wondering if he was doing work for his teammate just ahead, especially since I found it difficult to respond to his acceleration. 14:48, I cross the line and wheeze in pain. That was a tough race, but fun.
In hindsight, maybe I should post these in the race report thread? I didn't think I'd write such paragraphs! Enjoy!
Fun fact: I was given a 5-- number upon registering because the dude at registration wasn't paying attention. They had to sort this out at the start of the video. This is a fine example of what happens when your home track has minimal banking and the racers want to kill you from the gun. I grab a few solo laps in the beginning and slowly tire myself out as I'm not a breakaway artist and I normally save that sort of an effort for the last part of the race, rather than the first.
I decided to play this race more cautiously; I figured that the faster guys would do something about that tactic if I played it again. At the start I noticed three young riders all talking. It soon became obvious that they're working together. After some time sitting in, I decide to make a break for the line to grab some points. I come up track and the rider sitting third hears me coming and tells second and first that I'm coming over top. They kick, and start to come out of the sprinter's lane. Not cool. "Hold your line!" I yell, as third nearly makes contact (likely in an effort to dissuade me from attacking). "I'm trying!" he yells. Sure.
This is perhaps the best I've felt doing an Elim, at least since the first one I did during a Try the Track. Elims don't usually treat me well, as I get a little nervous not being able to move around. Nevertheless, I was so surprised to hear that bell as I thought for sure I'd be picked off. Upon review, I did a decent job of 'rushing the gap' on the last lap.
I was a bit disappointed as we had two features planned today, a 25 lap points and a 30 lap. I was hoping to do the 30 since more laps=more fun, right? Early on, I put in an effort to move up into a better position. At around 5:00, I put in an effort to get some points, but I notice nobody else is really fighting for it. Next lap round, I find myself getting passed by loads of people even though I haven't heard a bell. You can hear me say "Wait, what?" into turn 2. I'm still not sure what happened. At 7:10, you can see a junior break away to get an early break for the sprint lap. Really impressive. I kick from a long way back, grab a point or two and then pull up. It's become apparent to me that one thing I need to work on is sticking with the group after a sprint lap and not just pulling up. Hearing the next bell at around 9:40, I start to get ansty to attack. A benefit of reviewing videos is seeing my mistakes. Had this not been a sprint lap, moving up and around Mr. Red Fuji would have been a mistake as he more than likely would have swung up in turn 2. By going over him I could have missed an opportunity to stay in his draft and could have potentially caused a collision. One favorite memory of mine of last season happened at around 12:30. After just having sprinted over the line, I swung up, made a quick head check after two riders went underneath, saw a me-sized space and quickly dropped into it. I was impressed with how smoothly I was able to execute that move given that I'd lost most of the feeling in my legs at that point. We hear the next bell at 14:00. As we cross the line, the PRR rider ahead seems to slow, come out of lane, then accelerate. I'm wondering if he was doing work for his teammate just ahead, especially since I found it difficult to respond to his acceleration. 14:48, I cross the line and wheeze in pain. That was a tough race, but fun.
In hindsight, maybe I should post these in the race report thread? I didn't think I'd write such paragraphs! Enjoy!
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I decided to play this race more cautiously; I figured that the faster guys would do something about that tactic if I played it again. At the start I noticed three young riders all talking. It soon became obvious that they're working together. After some time sitting in, I decide to make a break for the line to grab some points. I come up track and the rider sitting third hears me coming and tells second and first that I'm coming over top. They kick, and start to come out of the sprinter's lane. Not cool. "Hold your line!" I yell, as third nearly makes contact (likely in an effort to dissuade me from attacking). "I'm trying!" he yells. Sure.
A couple points:
Collusion with other riders is, technically speaking, against the rules. I say technically speaking because there is no way NOT to collude with others in bike racing - a breakaway with more than one rider is, technically speaking, collusion.
That third rider coming out of the sprinter's lane - that is an acceptable move from him. Obviously, especially for lower-category riders, we don't want people making surprise moves or moves into other riders, and we frown on body contact; it is absolutely his responsibility to shouldercheck and know who is around him and how much he can move.
However, he is not committed to the sprinter's lane - rather, if he wants to come forward and try to get points (even if he can't), he's obligated to come out of the lane. Unless your handlebars are in front of his, he CAN move laterally over and you're forced to cede that ground; if your bars were in front of his, he would be boxed in and you'd own that ground.
He definitely flicks further up to the stayer's line than I think is appropriate - a common error for beginners at speed on track bikes.
I hope that's helpful commentary!
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Very helpful, thank you! I was under the impression that collusion wasn't allowed, perhaps at a national or international level event the kind of work those three were doing wouldn't have been allowed. But at a weekly series for beginners, I can understand it being allowed.
While I won't dispute that the third rider has every right to move out of the lane like that to get some points, I'm fairly certain that he was just doing it simply to block me from attacking, getting points or just to simply scare me away.
While I won't dispute that the third rider has every right to move out of the lane like that to get some points, I'm fairly certain that he was just doing it simply to block me from attacking, getting points or just to simply scare me away.
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An official may warn or relegate a rider for unsafe riding in a sprint, particularly for sudden lateral moves. However, putting your body where it's inconvenient to another rider is an accepted tactic (In sprinting, feinting uptrack to force your opponent to go even wider around you is called a flick or a hook), and the rider's move wasn't without purpose - that rider has reason and right to move laterally, if he wants to sprint for points.
Another way that physical positioning can come into play, from where you were riding in that race is, if you had moved forward in that line and gotten your bars in front of the 3rd rider, he would be boxed in, unable to sprint, nowhere to go. This is a good move in a tempo or an elimination.
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Very helpful, thank you! I was under the impression that collusion wasn't allowed, perhaps at a national or international level event the kind of work those three were doing wouldn't have been allowed. But at a weekly series for beginners, I can understand it being allowed.
While I won't dispute that the third rider has every right to move out of the lane like that to get some points, I'm fairly certain that he was just doing it simply to block me from attacking, getting points or just to simply scare me away.
While I won't dispute that the third rider has every right to move out of the lane like that to get some points, I'm fairly certain that he was just doing it simply to block me from attacking, getting points or just to simply scare me away.
The juniors from the same team do work together regularly on Saturdays, but I've also been known to help a teammate during the Masters races. I would think the secretive aspect of collusion is not met if they are all wearing the same jersey. Are the rules now interpreted that teammates can't work together? I understand that you can't maneuver to impede another rider, but can't I set the chasing pace for a teammate off the front? The field is welcome to come around me at any time.
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TrackMonkey, FYI: the reason why it's sorta legal for that rider to do that move is because the general rule is that a leading rider (the other guy) is not responsible for what is going on behind him. The trailing rider (you) is responsible for what happens in front of him.
That being said, the track director can tell if a rider is doing things on purpose and should have a talk with him/her accordingly.
But, further, in my opinion, TTown allows more "bumpin' and grindin'" than most tracks that I've seen. So, even if you guys bumped shoulders, I doubt that the race director would have said anything under the "If it ain't rubbin', it ain't racin'" rule
That being said, the track director can tell if a rider is doing things on purpose and should have a talk with him/her accordingly.
But, further, in my opinion, TTown allows more "bumpin' and grindin'" than most tracks that I've seen. So, even if you guys bumped shoulders, I doubt that the race director would have said anything under the "If it ain't rubbin', it ain't racin'" rule
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When I've run races, I personally don't like aggressive riding. None of us are getting paid. Hell, most of the P/1/2 riders don't get paid. This ain't the Olympics or World Championships. Taking or causing a tumble to win a local race is never worth it. So, keep it in check.
Just because you see some daylight and think you can shoot that gap, it's probably not worth it.
Just because you see some daylight and think you can shoot that gap, it's probably not worth it.
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Another way to phrase it is, you're responsible for the safety of your front wheel - but it's considered polite to not sweep other people's front wheels out from under them.
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I was feeling sentimental while I was refreshing my old track bike to get it back into race condition after many years. I was particularly sadden as I unraveled my handlebar tape which still bore the scar of being forced against the wall one Friday night. I didn't go down, so that torn tape was reminder a great, yet intangible, victory.
BTW, I saw myself in the fourth video. I'm disappointed I raced Masters and not SR4 that week - I could have been famous.
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I'm really enjoying this input, guys! Very informative.
@carleton I think that Kissena could be even closer racing than T-Town. I trust the regulars there a bit more since not only is the racing close, but the track is shallow and very bumpy!
@dunderhi I definitely knew who you were from seeing your bike on the forums before we even raced together. I put two and two together after hearing your name over the loudspeaker and seeing your username here. This season I should introduce myself properly.
@carleton I think that Kissena could be even closer racing than T-Town. I trust the regulars there a bit more since not only is the racing close, but the track is shallow and very bumpy!
@dunderhi I definitely knew who you were from seeing your bike on the forums before we even raced together. I put two and two together after hearing your name over the loudspeaker and seeing your username here. This season I should introduce myself properly.
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@dunderhi I definitely knew who you were from seeing your bike on the forums before we even raced together. I put two and two together after hearing your name over the loudspeaker and seeing your username here. This season I should introduce myself properly.
I look forward to meeting you. I met a few forum members last year while racing at Kissena in the Spring and Ttown in the Summer.
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I decided to play this race more cautiously; I figured that the faster guys would do something about that tactic if I played it again. At the start I noticed three young riders all talking. It soon became obvious that they're working together. After some time sitting in, I decide to make a break for the line to grab some points. I come up track and the rider sitting third hears me coming and tells second and first that I'm coming over top. They kick, and start to come out of the sprinter's lane. Not cool. "Hold your line!" I yell, as third nearly makes contact (likely in an effort to dissuade me from attacking). "I'm trying!" he yells. Sure.
I decided to play this race more cautiously; I figured that the faster guys would do something about that tactic if I played it again. At the start I noticed three young riders all talking. It soon became obvious that they're working together. After some time sitting in, I decide to make a break for the line to grab some points. I come up track and the rider sitting third hears me coming and tells second and first that I'm coming over top. They kick, and start to come out of the sprinter's lane. Not cool. "Hold your line!" I yell, as third nearly makes contact (likely in an effort to dissuade me from attacking). "I'm trying!" he yells. Sure.
And nothing wrong with yelling "up" when a rider attacks. Time honored cycling tradition. Collusion is more about using a team to stack 5 wide while another teammate takes a lap (blatant blocking), or dropping a guy off the back of the group to join up with a guy off the front to help him finish taking the lap (taking assistance from a lapped rider).
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When I've run races, I personally don't like aggressive riding. None of us are getting paid. Hell, most of the P/1/2 riders don't get paid. This ain't the Olympics or World Championships. Taking or causing a tumble to win a local race is never worth it. So, keep it in check.
Just because you see some daylight and think you can shoot that gap, it's probably not worth it.
Just because you see some daylight and think you can shoot that gap, it's probably not worth it.
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What cameras are you using? I recently acquired (on the 25th December) a Sony HDR-AS30V. Just waiting for the mounts and memory card to come and then I'll be testing it out on the bike