Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

"Virtual" Trainer, C&V Compatibility?

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

"Virtual" Trainer, C&V Compatibility?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-08-24, 11:21 AM
  #1  
spclark 
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
spclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: "Driftless" WI
Posts: 391

Bikes: 1972 Motobecane Grand Record, 2022 Kona Dew+

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 107 Posts
"Virtual" Trainer, C&V Compatibility?

I just started riding again last spring, inspired to get back onto local roads with the C&V Motobecane I bought early in '72.

It's a lot more fun to ride than the Kona Dew+ I bought before I 'renovated' the MB after a decade+ hiatus.

Winter's here, no fooling. No riding outdoors 'till maybe late April.

So, question: is my kind of 120OLD frame wearing 700c rims compatible with something like Zwift?

Not at all confident I could safely handle just rollers for indoor. Want something more 'virtual' that also offers stability. All comments welcome.
spclark is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 11:53 AM
  #2  
DanseMacabre
Junior Member
 
DanseMacabre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 120

Bikes: 1957 Motobecane camping bike, 1974 Manufrance Super Course STC, 1977 Peugeot camping bike, 1978 Liberia C15

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Liked 124 Times in 43 Posts
Something like a regular tacx trainer would do fine. They are easily and cheaply found second-hand, if you want to try it out. Just make sure the connection is made for quick-releases, as in this picture, and not for modern disc brakes.
If you want more luxury, please let us know what you are looking for.


Tacx-T2650-Blue-Matic-Foldin~Turbo-Trainer
DanseMacabre is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 01:50 PM
  #3  
steelbikeguy
Senior Member
 
steelbikeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Peoria, IL
Posts: 4,481
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1830 Post(s)
Liked 3,385 Times in 1,585 Posts
For southern Wisconsin, how about just getting out on cross-country skis? There haven't been many opportunities in central Illinois for some time, but quite a few of my bike friends would get together in the local parks for some laps. Definitely a good way to get outside for some exercise and you don't even have to clean up a bike afterwards! If you miss gluing on sew-ups, you can get skis that need to be waxed (I've got a pair).

For vintage indoor riding, I think rollers are the obvious choice. I don't think they are dangerous, but I learned to ride them back when I was young and healed quickly.

Steve in Peoria
(managed to ride 25 miles today before the storm arrives)
steelbikeguy is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 04:31 PM
  #4  
spclark 
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
spclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: "Driftless" WI
Posts: 391

Bikes: 1972 Motobecane Grand Record, 2022 Kona Dew+

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
For southern Wisconsin, how about just getting out on cross-country skis? There haven't been many opportunities in central Illinois for some time....
Why'zat? No SNOW?

That's gonna change, at least for a bit...

I learned to X/C back in the '70's, not long after getting in/onto my MB. Loved it! Did a lot of it both in IL & WI with my soon-to-be spouse. Stuck with it (as best as I could) up through the early '90's. There were even times I'd take my skis to work in Chicago so I could ski in Lincoln Park & east of LSD by the lake before making the drive home once the traffic'd settled out.

I have a pair of 'waxless' Rottefella's I bought after moving up here, used em exactly three times. They're hung by the garage door, ready & waiting. What I'll wake up to tomorrow will frustrate me even more coming at a time I'm disinclined to click in & go while I'm still in 'recovery' mode.

Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
I think rollers are the obvious choice. I don't think they are dangerous, but I learned to ride them back when I was young and healed quickly.
Relatively inexpensive too I suppose, but not having learned how half a century ago, I'm looking for something less akin to a treadmill.

Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
(managed to ride 25 miles today before the storm arrives)
Good on you! Make the best of every day, eh!

Closing on 75 I do what I believe is best I can.

Right now I'm recovering from a bout with RSV that's kept me home from work the last week. Nasty stuff despite nary a hint of fever. Not something to take outside & subject my lungs to when temp's hovering around freezing.

If it continues to snow (enough to ski on) now that it looks like it's making a serious attempt, and the temps don't drop in to the single digits afterward, I'd still like to get on those sticks I would.
spclark is offline  
Likes For spclark:
Old 01-08-24, 04:39 PM
  #5  
spclark 
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
spclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: "Driftless" WI
Posts: 391

Bikes: 1972 Motobecane Grand Record, 2022 Kona Dew+

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by DanseMacabre
Something like a regular tacx trainer would do fine.
Thanks for that! You've opened a door I didn't know existed. Seems that's one of Garmin's product lines? Had an on/off relationship with some of their other stuff over the years.

I'll look into those. May be something there at a price point that's attractive.
spclark is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 04:58 PM
  #6  
Spaghetti Legs 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 4,781

Bikes: Numerous

Mentioned: 150 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1678 Post(s)
Liked 3,100 Times in 914 Posts
A wheel on smart trainer is the easiest way to use an old bike on Zwift or similar power output based interface. I use a Wahoo KICKR snap. The doohickey to attach the bike to the trainer is similar to that pictured on the Tackx trainer above, except mine has a little notch to accommodate the QR lever axle. The width is adjustable on mine to accommodate a wide range of OLD.
__________________
N = '96 Colnago C40, '04 Wilier Alpe D'Huez, '10 Colnago EPS, '85 Merckx Pro, '89 Merckx Century, '86 Tommasini Professional, '04 Teschner Aero FX Pro, '05 Alan Carbon Cross, '86 De Rosa Professional, '82 Colnago Super, '95 Gios Compact Pro, '95 Carrera Zeus, '84 Basso Gap, ‘89 Cinelli Supercorsa, ‘83 Bianchi Specialissima, ‘VO Randonneur, Ritchey Breakaway Steel, '84 Paletti Super Prestige, Heron Randonneur

Spaghetti Legs is offline  
Likes For Spaghetti Legs:
Old 01-08-24, 05:26 PM
  #7  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,160
Mentioned: 481 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3811 Post(s)
Liked 6,717 Times in 2,614 Posts
I use a similar setup to @Spaghetti Legs: Wahoo kickr smart trainer and an 80s Lemond road bike. You don’t need a rear wheel, and I think my spacing is 126mm. Just did a Zwift workout as it snowed a couple of inches here yesterday. Zwift has made indoor riding a thousand times more enjoyable than previously when I was on a wind trainer.

nlerner is offline  
Likes For nlerner:
Old 01-08-24, 05:32 PM
  #8  
spclark 
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
spclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: "Driftless" WI
Posts: 391

Bikes: 1972 Motobecane Grand Record, 2022 Kona Dew+

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
A wheel on smart trainer is the easiest way to use an old bike on Zwift or similar power output based interface.
Thanks for that! Reinforces what @DanseMacabre posted.

Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
I use a Wahoo KICKR snap. The doohickey to attach the bike to the trainer is similar to that pictured on the Tackx trainer above, except mine has a little notch to accommodate the QR lever axle. The width is adjustable on mine to accommodate a wide range of OLD.
Maybe post a pic or two please?

Now that I have some suggestions I've been grazing the 'net, learning much about what's out there in this realm. That I have two bikes that I could potentially use – even though the classic MB is the one I favor – gives me more flexibility. The MB doesn't look to be too 'wheelless' -capable, what with its traditional 5-sp freewheel. The Kona OTOH, though the heavier bike, may offer more utility if it stays 'married' to a DD trainer most of the time.

Keep 'em coming please!
spclark is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 05:34 PM
  #9  
spclark 
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
spclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: "Driftless" WI
Posts: 391

Bikes: 1972 Motobecane Grand Record, 2022 Kona Dew+

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 107 Posts
Excellent @nlerner! Thanks!!

Would it be convenient for you to snap then post a pic or two of the drive-side interconnection you have on that combo please? Help me wrap my head around how a freewheel-equipped bike ties to one of these trainer things?
spclark is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 05:42 PM
  #10  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,160
Mentioned: 481 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3811 Post(s)
Liked 6,717 Times in 2,614 Posts
Originally Posted by spclark
Excellent @nlerner! Thanks!!

Would it be convenient for you to snap then post a pic or two of the drive-side interconnection you have on that combo please? Help me wrap my head around how a freewheel-equipped bike ties to one of these trainer things?
Looks like I have an 8-speed cassette on there so spacing must be 130mm. Not sure if you’d have to use spacers of some sort with a 120mm frame. Also, I never change gears as the trainer deals with changing resistance, so I could be running a single speed.

nlerner is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 05:47 PM
  #11  
spclark 
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
spclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: "Driftless" WI
Posts: 391

Bikes: 1972 Motobecane Grand Record, 2022 Kona Dew+

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner
Looks like I have an 8-speed cassette on there so spacing must be 130mm. Not sure if you’d have to use spacers of some sort with a 120mm frame. Also, I never change gears as the trainer deals with changing resistance, so I could be running a single speed.
Super! Thanks! That answers lots of questions, the biggest being: cassette / FW? Doesn't matter! As long as chain fits the drive it can work!

I'm sure spacers would be involved for safety with a narrow OLD compared to what's more typical now with much wider sets of cogs in back.
spclark is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 05:54 PM
  #12  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,992

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10445 Post(s)
Liked 11,929 Times in 6,105 Posts
I think in your case you're better off with a wheel-on trainer, like the Kick'r Snap. BUT it might have a 130mm minimum requirement for the QR, which you can fix with 4 mm of washers on each side.

With that, and a cadence sensor, and maybe a heart rate monitor, you'd be completely good to go on Zwift. Just make sure to cover the bike with towels or something for the sweat. I use a sweat guard which fits over the headset and most of the top tube, and a towel that covers the bar tape. The trainer sits on a yoga mat, and I put an old bath towel on top of that. And it's on a tile floor, because the sweat doesn't stay confined to the area directly under me. Oh! And get a couple box fans. You'll need 'em!
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 01-08-24, 05:59 PM
  #13  
spclark 
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
spclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: "Driftless" WI
Posts: 391

Bikes: 1972 Motobecane Grand Record, 2022 Kona Dew+

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by genejockey
I think in your case you're better off with a wheel-on trainer, like the Kick'r Snap. BUT it might have a 130mm minimum requirement for the QR, which you can fix with 4 mm of washers on each side.
Check!

Originally Posted by genejockey
With that, and a cadence sensor, and maybe a heart rate monitor, you'd be completely good to go on Zwift. Just make sure to cover the bike with towels or something for the sweat.
Check!

I'm thinking basement for now, concrete floor. Cool-ish too! Still...

Originally Posted by genejockey
Oh! And get a couple box fans. You'll need 'em!
Check!

Have one already, they''re cheap enough!
spclark is offline  
Old 01-08-24, 06:09 PM
  #14  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,992

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10445 Post(s)
Liked 11,929 Times in 6,105 Posts
Originally Posted by spclark
Check!


Check!

I'm thinking basement for now, concrete floor. Cool-ish too! Still...


Check!

Have one already, they''re cheap enough!
I run two, generally. But during Fire Season, I have been known to run a third which is more powerful than the other two combined, if I have to take to the garage because of smoke.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.