Originally Posted by hubcyclist

No, but it's prob better advice than enabling someone to spend thousands of dollars, probably unnecessarily, for a fleeting feeling of satisfaction. One of the problem with serious hobbyist forums is that everyone is quick to just jump on spending money as a route to happiness, whether it's chasing a certain sound with guitars, getting a better lens in photography, etc. And often frivolous spending is encouraged without regarding to whether one should spend. Of course it's up to each individual to determine what they can spend within their means. But yeah, train more is better advice than blow your money on wheels for a small improvement in time or whatever feeling they're chasing until someone needs their next 'fix' with a new piece of gear.

Originally Posted by hubcyclist

No, but it's prob better advice than enabling someone to spend thousands of dollars, probably unnecessarily, for a fleeting feeling of satisfaction.

Originally Posted by tomato coupe

So, if we don't "enable" the OP, he won't be able to buy new wheels? I feel so ... powerful.

Originally Posted by WhyFi

Stop the sanctimonious BS. If someone is asking advice on getting faster, "train" is a fantastic answer. If they're asking about nice wheelsets, "train" is neither here nor there and is nothing more than a Johnny Lunchpail (RIP pcad) sour grapes response.

Also, if your wheelsets only offer fleeting satisfaction, you must not be doing it right and maybe you shouldn't be giving wheelset advice. 10k miles later, I'm still happy and thankful every time I go for a spin on my current wheels - they were a fantastic upgrade.

Originally Posted by KJ43

My wheelset was a great upgrade with noticeable benefits and it pays off every time I ride. I'd say a wheelset is one of the best upgrades a cyclist can make to their bike. And yeah, no one asked about training.

Originally Posted by kosmo886

What are the best road bike wheels these days? Looking for aero of some sort. Willing to spend into the 3k range, so price shouldn’t be too much of a factor.

Originally Posted by Polaris OBark

Nobody seems to have paid any attention to how you phrased the question.

Chris King makes a number of good wheels, ranging from about $1200 to $3K.

https://chrisking.com/collections/wheels

My humble aluminum ones are in the avatar.

Originally Posted by bampilot06

for 3k you could buy 6 pairs of super team wheels. Those should last you until the end of time.

Quantity over Quality.

Originally Posted by Koyote

Ever heard the expression "Penny wise, pound foolish"?

Originally Posted by Koyote

Ever heard the expression "Penny wise, pound foolish"?

Originally Posted by bampilot06

nope.

Originally Posted by Koyote

It means that cheap s**t is false economy.

Originally Posted by Koyote

It means that cheap s**t is false economy.

Originally Posted by bampilot06

Fair enough, mine have lasted 6,000 no issues. Just offering another idea.

Originally Posted by hubcyclist

No, but it's prob better advice than enabling someone to spend thousands of dollars, probably unnecessarily, for a fleeting feeling of satisfaction. One of the problem with serious hobbyist forums is that everyone is quick to just jump on spending money as a route to happiness, whether it's chasing a certain sound with guitars, getting a better lens in photography, etc. And often frivolous spending is encouraged without regarding to whether one should spend. Of course it's up to each individual to determine what they can spend within their means. But yeah, train more is better advice than blow your money on wheels for a small improvement in time or whatever feeling they're chasing until someone needs their next 'fix' with a new piece of gear.

Originally Posted by hubcyclist

No, but it's prob better advice than enabling someone to spend thousands of dollars, probably unnecessarily, for a fleeting feeling of satisfaction. One of the problem with serious hobbyist forums is that everyone is quick to just jump on spending money as a route to happiness, whether it's chasing a certain sound with guitars, getting a better lens in photography, etc. And often frivolous spending is encouraged without regarding to whether one should spend. Of course it's up to each individual to determine what they can spend within their means. But yeah, train more is better advice than blow your money on wheels for a small improvement in time or whatever feeling they're chasing until someone needs their next 'fix' with a new piece of gear.

Originally Posted by WhyFi

Dude - what are you, some little kid? I see that you went crying for help against us "Freds" in another subforum because your unsolicited and poorly thought-out advice wasn't well received. Grow a pair.

Originally Posted by hubcyclist

let's cut it out. Yeah, I made a snarky remark in the racing forum. But I'm not a troll and I don't hang around to stoke the flames. I have my opinions and folks have theirs. You're not convincing me I'm wrong and there's nothing I can do to change anyone else's minds on the matter. Drop it

Originally Posted by hubcyclist

let's cut it out. Yeah, I made a snarky remark in the racing forum. But I'm not a troll and I don't hang around to stoke the flames. I have my opinions and folks have theirs. You're not convincing me I'm wrong and there's nothing I can do to change anyone else's minds on the matter. Drop it

Originally Posted by Mojo31

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

By all economical measures, a $30,000 car is economically better than a $100,000 car. But, it's not nearly as enjoyable.

Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest

You went into the racing forum asking people to back you up because you were losing a thread???

Originally Posted by tomato coupe

At least he didn't go to a diesel truck forum looking for backup.

Originally Posted by phrantic09

I’m pretty certain after some extended time frame a 100k EV becomes more economical than a Camry