North Virginia's Drivers are GREAT!
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North Virginia's Drivers are GREAT!
I was riding the W&OD today and crossed at least 15 roads. I noticed that at every intersection where there were cars, as I slowed for a stop I'd see drivers stop their cars and wave me through so I didn't have to completely stop. In on intersection a driver even assisted me by blocking another lane because he saw a car coming quickly up the turn lane after he had waved me through.
If it was just one intersection I'd think that was cool but this happened AT LEAST 7 times.
I'm guessing that people in NoVA are more familiar with cyclists so they treat them better. Can you think of any other reason why the car/bike culture there is different?
If it was just one intersection I'd think that was cool but this happened AT LEAST 7 times.
I'm guessing that people in NoVA are more familiar with cyclists so they treat them better. Can you think of any other reason why the car/bike culture there is different?
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be careful when they wave you through, there was an incident where a BF member (from NOVA, incidentally) was hit in just this situation. A motorist illegally drove around a stopped driver and hit him.
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What annoys me more is how so many MUPs have stop signs at every single intersection with roads, even extremely quiet residential driveways. The mentality of the trail designers seems to be that drivers should not and will not stop for bikes, and that therefore it makes more sense to place all the burden of negotiating the intersections on the bicyclists. That may well be the best idea from a safety perspective, but it certainly reduces the utility of many of these trails as viable transportation corridors (I haven't ridden on the W&OD, so I'm commenting generally on other rails-to-trails MUPs I've used). In general, I think stop signs are way overused in our road system, and should be replaced with yields everywhere that the only purpose of the stop sign is to establish priority of one road over another. The stop should be reserved for places that would otherwise be impossible to negotiate safely without coming to a full stop every time. Its overuse dilutes its meaning because both drivers and cyclists get used to thinking of it as a "suggestion" since it's so often used in places where a full stop is NOT necessary for safety. And while they're at it, I don't think that a lightly used residential driveway or condo entrance should take priority over a heavily used MUP...but the stop signs are almost always on the MUP, not on the driveway.
Bike-specific signals to cross busier roads on MUPs are another option, but I've had several experiences where I've pushed the button to activate one of those only to see car after car just blow through it. It seems like many motorists are either oblivious towards or have no respect for mid-block crossing signals, just like how many of them blow through mid-block crosswalks even when pedestrians are present. I don't know what's worse...the conclusion that many drivers intentionally don't stop at those things, because they don't think they should have to, or the idea that so many drivers are on "autopilot" midblock that they genuinely don't notice the crossing signals.
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Agreed. They may be willing to cede their right-of-way, but they have no control over how other motorists around them will behave. And this introduces an unpredictable element unnecessarily.
What annoys me more is how so many MUPs have stop signs at every single intersection with roads, even extremely quiet residential driveways.
What annoys me more is how so many MUPs have stop signs at every single intersection with roads, even extremely quiet residential driveways.
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Yep, driving or cycling I hate to take a yielded right-of-way since it's unpredictable. Unfortunately here on Cape Cod it appears to be the only way people drive. You can't go 2 miles without having someone cede right-of-way ( for driving in a car as well ). They also have the problem with stops on the MUP with "cyclists must dismount" when these stops occur far too frequently and, in one case, where the road is blocked. At every one of these stops the drivers will come to a quick stop and let you cross despite the fact that they have the right-of-way and I have a stop. I seem to be one of the few that even bothers to slow down at many of these intersections.
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Most of the W&OD Trail intersections with roads have stop signs for the trail, some even where there is a controling stoplight with pedestrian walk signal. But then again, cars are supposed to stop for pedestrians and cyclists in the intersection. It leads to a lot of indecisiveness on the part of all users.
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Incidents like what you mentioned above, are why I don't trust motorists ANYWHERE, in the D.C.-Metro region. Trusting them, leads to a cyclist's complacency and inattention to ones' surroundings, when on the road. This ultimately leads to a cyclist getting killed.
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I was riding the W&OD today and crossed at least 15 roads. I noticed that at every intersection where there were cars, as I slowed for a stop I'd see drivers stop their cars and wave me through so I didn't have to completely stop. In on intersection a driver even assisted me by blocking another lane because he saw a car coming quickly up the turn lane after he had waved me through.
If it was just one intersection I'd think that was cool but this happened AT LEAST 7 times.
I'm guessing that people in NoVA are more familiar with cyclists so they treat them better. Can you think of any other reason why the car/bike culture there is different?
If it was just one intersection I'd think that was cool but this happened AT LEAST 7 times.
I'm guessing that people in NoVA are more familiar with cyclists so they treat them better. Can you think of any other reason why the car/bike culture there is different?
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