Taqi

Oh ffs, do some frickin basic research about the difference between livestrong.com and livestrong.org and how the livestrong brand is franchised between the two, and who makes the profit (duh guess who).

patentcad

You do it for us, it can be your new startling Lance Expose. It will knock all this doping crap off the front pages.

BummBull

I think good will come out. It shows even the best cheaters get caught so don't $@#@ cheat!

Taqi

It will only startle the naive, the stupid and the wilfully blind. A basic google search will enlighten you, otherwise keep drinking the kool-aid.

Allez3

If true the story is true, Lance is toast.

This has been my hangup. If George says Lance did it, then I believe him. Landis and Hamilton have no credibility with me.

patentcad

Andreu on the dawn of the era of doping in pro cycling in the late 1990's:

“60 Minutes” also released an excerpt from another Armstrong teammate, Frankie Andreu, who said he took banned substances because lesser riders he believed were doping were passing him during races.

“Things were just getting faster and faster and sprinters were getting over the big mountains and winning, you know, climbing stages,” Andreu said in the interview. “There’s 200 guys flying over these mountains and you can’t even stay in the group. And it’s just impossible to keep up. And it’s like, ‘What the hell’s going on here?”’

slipstream8

Pcad prefers Hammer.

patentcad

I prefer the Kool Aid.

I will agree with the Lance bashers on this: he really acted ruthlessly to anyone broke the code of silence, and in the end, he had all this coming to him. I still think it would have been better for all concerned if the Lance Myth had remained intact.

Another thing I have no control over. Carry on.

Kevinative

you missed my point, I'm all about the testing, read up a few lines from the bottom. and we are fixing the problem from what I can tell, but it's not going to happen overnight. the status quo has changed and continues to change. I'm no PED testing expert but from what I can tell pro cyclists are the most tested athletes, ever. to quote Huxley, wallowing in the muck is no way to get clean. focus on the present and future, not the past, that's my point.

Taqi

Fair enough. The problem is the myth is anything but intact, and for the sake of the good that comes out of livestrong (and to get rid of the bad) Lance now needs to do the right thing and to tell the truth.

Beaker

I can't see it happening. How many times has his defence been "you can't trust someone who tells one story for years and then changes their mind - they're lying"? Lance has constructed a pretty solid position that he can't move from.

daytonian

1. It will interesting to see if Levi dished the dirt or not.
2. You can't ride over mountains for 3 weeks without peds - it's common sense.
3. Popovich will play a huge part in this. I think the stuff they got off his computer will implicate Tex.

Kevinative

that made the crucial difference between him and the rest of the field who were also doping during that time, i.e. his ability to endure suffering based on his battle with cancer and the 24/7 suffering he endured through all the chemo, poisoned to the gills to the point where he couldn't even move at times. Lance wasn't expected to live, although he was told he had a 30% chance. the Drs routinely saw ppl with less severe cases die. but he's a fighter, and he refused to quit. making sense yet?

in case you haven't read about it yet, a list was leaked to a french publication that ranks pro riders on a scale of 0-10 based on their history of blood test results. low being little suspicion of doping, higher being likely. Lance was on the low side of the scale, implying that many other non TDF winners have higher ratings. and what about Cancellera, who dominated the classics last yr and was accused of having a motor in his bike? he was rated 0 of 10. how's that for the status quo changing?

Kevinative

then go after everyone, Indurain, Pantani, Cipollini, yeah destroy the history of cycling. where do you draw the line? and no, he didn't get caught, remember? he never tested positive.

bikepro

If things get too bad, I hope Lance distances himself from Livestrong so it can continue. It has done a lot of good by raising awareness, fund raising, etc. Unfortunately, I fear that Lance is the sole driver of Livestrong. Without his support, or if his reputation is severely damaged (charged by Grand Jury, even if he is cleared) It is doubleful if he'll be able to continue Livestrong activities -- so much depends on his image and credibility: "Cancer Survivor, 7 time TdF winner, probable cheat."

patentcad

The only way you stop doping in pro cycling is more effective testing and sponsors who absolutely make it clear there is a zero tolerance for it on their teams. That is starting to happen in pro ranks, I do think the sport has gotten to the point where it's 90% clean. Even if it's still just 10% dirty, that's a lot of doping scandals. You can't eliminate it entirely overnight, but I do think that over time it will become more and more apparent that doping is a no-win enterprise, and eventually most serious pros will stop trying. You can only hope.

Taqi

It is unlikely, but he could follow Floyd, and Tyler and now supposedly George (at least before the Grand Jury) and say "look, this is what we did, and this is what we had to do". There is an allegation of systematic, coach driven, doping in junior US cycling from the late 80's - Lance and Floyd and George and Tyler were also victims, and who knows how Lance's health was harmed by that. It is time for truth & reconciliation. I for one believe Lance could come out of this stronger (if poorer..).

patentcad

Several sources have told VeloNews that the show will reveal further bombshells, beyond those of Hamilton and Hincapie.

patentcad

Who needs the Giro when you have all this Lance Soap Opera?

waikikihei

Or, his legal team has already planned for a worst case scenario.

F'n Lance, such a greedy little bastard. Wonder how Paul, Phil and Bobke will explain this away. Or Merckx for that matter. They were all such pals during the winning years, shoving each other aside to kiss Lance's ass. Bunch of lying pigs feeding at the same trough.

Pro cycling will be a black sport forever. Sucks for the cat one's and pro's riding clean, but that's life I guess.

Oh, and another thing for all you Lance lovers, his cancer was likely a result of drug abuse.

Taqi

Yep, it's really sad.

John00

A few years ago Lance won a lawsuit against an insurance co. that had awarded him $5 million or so over some deal that he got a million or something for every tour he won. They refused to pay, claiming he had used drugs to win and the contract was thereby voided. He won the suit and collected the $ millions because back then no one would testify he doped. I wonder if they can reopen their case now and Lance wold have to pay back all that money plus interest.

patentcad

Boy that's stupid. But consistent with the rest of your drivel.

Shimagnolo

Hopefully, they will show that the mgt not only knows about it, but directs it.
I'm damed tired of mgt always putting on the show of being shocked when a rider is caught, and firing him, as if they had no idea it was happening.
So the rider gets hung out to dry, and mgt walks away w/o even being questioned.

Shimagnolo

If that was true, the entire peloton would be in chemotherapy.