How Much New is Too Much for You?
#201
For The Fun of It
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Louisissippi Coast
Posts: 5,852
Bikes: Lynskey GR300, Lynskey Backroad, Litespeed T6, Lynskey MT29, Burley Duet
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2135 Post(s)
Liked 1,647 Times
in
829 Posts
Let's see. I have dabbled in some of the new tech and have "retreated" from some of it. FWIW I am a recreational 59 year old rider. I don't race. I do occasionally do events where the pace is spirited.
I tried hydraulic disc brakes and decided that I didn't like them. They are the only brakes that have ever left me stranded and in need of a shop to get back on the road. They stop great and are easy to finesse. It's also easy to have a pucker factor moment, grab too much front brake and dump.
I had a nice carbon fiber road bike (Tarmac). It was fine. I switched to it from an aluminum bike. Some things I liked better and others not as much. I went to titanium from the carbon fiber and am just where I need to be in a road bike.
I have my first thru axle bike. There is nothing that I like about it better than standard QR.
10 speeds is enough for me.
I am way out in front of what will become a trend. Real world gearing. Compact was a gravitation in the right direction. Now there is sub-compact. They are almost where they need to be.
Have not tried tubeless and won't. Have not tried electronic shifting and won't.
I tried hydraulic disc brakes and decided that I didn't like them. They are the only brakes that have ever left me stranded and in need of a shop to get back on the road. They stop great and are easy to finesse. It's also easy to have a pucker factor moment, grab too much front brake and dump.
I had a nice carbon fiber road bike (Tarmac). It was fine. I switched to it from an aluminum bike. Some things I liked better and others not as much. I went to titanium from the carbon fiber and am just where I need to be in a road bike.
I have my first thru axle bike. There is nothing that I like about it better than standard QR.
10 speeds is enough for me.
I am way out in front of what will become a trend. Real world gearing. Compact was a gravitation in the right direction. Now there is sub-compact. They are almost where they need to be.
Have not tried tubeless and won't. Have not tried electronic shifting and won't.
Likes For Paul Barnard:
#202
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 8,515
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3241 Post(s)
Liked 2,512 Times
in
1,510 Posts
Here you go. Here's a link to the sight where you can order parts for those brands under the B & D umbrella.
https://www.toolservicenet.com/
Last edited by seypat; 05-01-22 at 01:52 PM.
Likes For seypat:
#203
Banned
I am very much aware of how much time is spent having to recharge devices. In the past I had a bike computer that required a new 2032 battery once a year. Now I have a smartphone and a Wahoo and a cadence meter and one of my bikes is an e-bike. The idea of having to worry about the battery on a derailleur is where I think it is frivolous for those not engaged in professional road racing.
Over the past 50 years the bike industry has become a multi-billion dollar one and the good part is the ready availability of things like brake shifters and hydraulic brakes but there is also a tremendous amount of accessory items that are pure fluff, though highly profitable fluff. Unfortunately most of this ends up in a landfill.
Over the past 50 years the bike industry has become a multi-billion dollar one and the good part is the ready availability of things like brake shifters and hydraulic brakes but there is also a tremendous amount of accessory items that are pure fluff, though highly profitable fluff. Unfortunately most of this ends up in a landfill.
#204
Guest
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 2,888
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1346 Post(s)
Liked 3,270 Times
in
1,439 Posts
#205
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 8,431
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4407 Post(s)
Liked 4,860 Times
in
3,006 Posts
I am very much aware of how much time is spent having to recharge devices. In the past I had a bike computer that required a new 2032 battery once a year. Now I have a smartphone and a Wahoo and a cadence meter and one of my bikes is an e-bike. The idea of having to worry about the battery on a derailleur is where I think it is frivolous for those not engaged in professional road racing.
Over the past 50 years the bike industry has become a multi-billion dollar one and the good part is the ready availability of things like brake shifters and hydraulic brakes but there is also a tremendous amount of accessory items that are pure fluff, though highly profitable fluff. Unfortunately most of this ends up in a landfill.
Over the past 50 years the bike industry has become a multi-billion dollar one and the good part is the ready availability of things like brake shifters and hydraulic brakes but there is also a tremendous amount of accessory items that are pure fluff, though highly profitable fluff. Unfortunately most of this ends up in a landfill.
Likes For PeteHski:
#206
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 8,687
Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1126 Post(s)
Liked 253 Times
in
204 Posts
The improvements in cars are, in my opinion, easily quantifiable. In 1984, a wall equipped smaller sedan had an MSRP of $9000 - $10,000, With that you had maybe 100 hp if lucky, an in most, AM/FM cassette, with around 25 mpg on the highway. That 1984 price now equates to $27,000 - $30,000 after inflation. A sedan now in the $30k range has 180+ hp from usually a 2.5 liter engine (more than a 5.7 liter Corvette in the mid ‘70s), maybe AWD, Bluetooth, etc, and can get 30+ mpg highway. So really measurable improvements. Computers are another area of easily quantifiable performance improvements.
Going to the 1983 Trek, yes it did have downtube friction shifters, but I wouldn’t say they were worse than Tourney. The old Sun Tour stuff was very good. Brakes, while I like modern dual pivots, weren’t that bad years ago for the better stuff like the Superbe Pros that were on the Trek. Again, my opinion, but many of the “improvements” in cycling cannot be quantified as improving performance and many new components are worse than the older stuff.
Going to the 1983 Trek, yes it did have downtube friction shifters, but I wouldn’t say they were worse than Tourney. The old Sun Tour stuff was very good. Brakes, while I like modern dual pivots, weren’t that bad years ago for the better stuff like the Superbe Pros that were on the Trek. Again, my opinion, but many of the “improvements” in cycling cannot be quantified as improving performance and many new components are worse than the older stuff.
Look, engineers could make modern cars easy to work on, if they chose too, but what happened was way back in the 70's car dealers were complaining that they could not make enough money on just selling cars, they needed service work to make money, so engineers since then have been steadily making cars more and more complicated requiring more and more tools. Back in the 60's and prior, all a mechanic needed was $250 in tools, adjusted for inflation that's $2,800 in tools today, but today that tool expense has exceeded $30,000; while the whole-time mechanic wages have not gone up enough to keep up with inflation, mechanics averaged just around $5 an hour in the 50's and 60's, which today would be equal to making $48 dollars an hour, but mechanics today range from $15 to $21 and hour, not even the upper end wage is keeping up with what they were paid 65 years ago, in fact it's not even half of what they got paid! A lot of blue-collar jobs are like this, and this is why they are having a shortage of blue-collar workers because the pay is crappy now. A person could work their way up at Walmart, get paid the same as a mechanic without the tool bill! I find the same thing with Bicycle mechanics, their pay is crap with an average of just $14 an hour, which is why I always tip the mechanic.
I went off on a tangent with the pay thing, but a car could be made a lot simpler in most respects, sure the electronic crap is going to be a pain, but the mechanical aspects don't have to be. I also understand there are space limitations in today's cars, but that still doesn't mean you have to have $30,000 plus in tools to fix stuff.
#207
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 8,687
Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1126 Post(s)
Liked 253 Times
in
204 Posts
While I love downtube friction shifters, no matter how reliable, repairable, and inexpensive they are, the rider still has to take his or her hands from the bars to shift, to the detriment of safety, efficiency, accuracy, and comfort. The development of "briftors" was never solely about shifting performance.
#208
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Mississauga/Toronto, Ontario canada
Posts: 8,721
Bikes: I have 3 singlespeed/fixed gear bikes
Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4227 Post(s)
Liked 2,488 Times
in
1,286 Posts
I drive a rear wheel drive pick up here in Canada and never been stuck yet...Also no bluetooth and no power windows and no infotainment system to distract me.... I LOL at people who purchase 4x4 trucks with off road package and who never ever go off road..
Likes For wolfchild:
#209
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2021
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,038
Bikes: addict, aethos, creo, vanmoof, sirrus, public ...
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1278 Post(s)
Liked 1,392 Times
in
710 Posts
I am very much aware of how much time is spent having to recharge devices. In the past I had a bike computer that required a new 2032 battery once a year. Now I have a smartphone and a Wahoo and a cadence meter and one of my bikes is an e-bike. The idea of having to worry about the battery on a derailleur is where I think it is frivolous for those not engaged in professional road racing.
....
....
I worry less about derailleur batteries than I did about cables. I've only very recently embraced electronic shifting, but I can't see myself going back. That seems to be the way it goes for most people who give it a try. I wouldn't go as far as converting any of my other bikes with mechanical shifting to electronic, but I think all my future bikes will be electronic. Fewer cables and touch shifters are nice. I also prefer that the brake levers don't need to move laterally. I always found that a bit weird.
#210
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 8,687
Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1126 Post(s)
Liked 253 Times
in
204 Posts
Yup, there were people I knew in the southern states would romp around in mud using nothing but 2-wheel drive pickups, yet an inexperience person will come romping through there in their 4x4 Jeep Rubicon and get stuck, guess how they pull those jeeps and other 4x4's out? with a two-wheel drive truck! LMAO!! I knew people when I was younger would buy a Jeep and then take a bucket of mud and splatter the jeep with it so it would look like they had taken it offroad! to impress the ladies of course.
#211
Guest
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 2,888
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1346 Post(s)
Liked 3,270 Times
in
1,439 Posts
#212
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 8,515
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3241 Post(s)
Liked 2,512 Times
in
1,510 Posts
Yup, there were people I knew in the southern states would romp around in mud using nothing but 2-wheel drive pickups, yet an inexperience person will come romping through there in their 4x4 Jeep Rubicon and get stuck, guess how they pull those jeeps and other 4x4's out? with a two-wheel drive truck! LMAO!! I knew people when I was younger would buy a Jeep and then take a bucket of mud and splatter the jeep with it so it would look like they had taken it offroad! to impress the ladies of course.
#213
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 8,431
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4407 Post(s)
Liked 4,860 Times
in
3,006 Posts
I'm surprised you have internet and a computer.
Likes For PeteHski:
Likes For mschwett:
#215
Senior Member
People who design products need something to do all day, so they work on new designs whether or not those designs are needed or not. As a result, our daily lives have become ever more complicated. My car has so many features that I don't even know what they all are. I see buttons to press whose purpose I've never bothered to look up in the manual. I have all kinds of messages popping up on various screens that take a long time to figure out how to turn off. Changing the time on the clock requires paging through the manual or getting on line. On my bikes, I never had any trouble figuring out how to fix or maintain things. Now I have to watch a number of videos to learn how to bleed hydraulic brakes. For me, as an older person, simpler is better in almost everything. All the innovations in bicycle development are truly unnecessary however advantageous they may be. Personally, I'd love to be able to easily buy a new bike with rim brakes, a quill stem, and components made of material that didn't require a torque wrench to adjust. Modern bikes are overall better than older bikes, but better is not always better.
Likes For jackb:
#216
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 8,687
Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1126 Post(s)
Liked 253 Times
in
204 Posts
People who design products need something to do all day, so they work on new designs whether or not those designs are needed or not. As a result, our daily lives have become ever more complicated. My car has so many features that I don't even know what they all are. I see buttons to press whose purpose I've never bothered to look up in the manual. I have all kinds of messages popping up on various screens that take a long time to figure out how to turn off. Changing the time on the clock requires paging through the manual or getting on line. On my bikes, I never had any trouble figuring out how to fix or maintain things. Now I have to watch a number of videos to learn how to bleed hydraulic brakes. For me, as an older person, simpler is better in almost everything. All the innovations in bicycle development are truly unnecessary however advantageous they may be. Personally, I'd love to be able to easily buy a new bike with rim brakes, a quill stem, and components made of material that didn't require a torque wrench to adjust. Modern bikes are overall better than older bikes, but better is not always better.
What is funny is when you go into a dealership to look at a new or used cars, even the sales staff can't figure out all the crap on all the cars, there's too much variety between cars, whereas in the old days any sales person could figure out how to operate anything in the car. I have people tell me that they couldn't figure out something on their car even after reading the manual, take it to the car dealer, the sales person would sit in the car for about 30 minutes unable to figure it out themselves, only to say read the owner's manual and give up in frustration.
Then when something breaks it costs a lot of money to replace. For example, my neighbor has a Toyota Prius, the info screen died, $3,200 later it was repaired, really? Everything in that car is accessed through the info screen, not unlike a Tesla which would probably cost at least twice as much to repair. What happens if the radio in a modern car needs to be replaced, on most cars you can't simply put in a new head unit, you have to go back to the dealer and get the radio assuming it's still being made.
Unless you're a gear head and like to dink around with your bike more often than not, then trying to figure out how to bleed hydro brakes is a waste of my time! Which is why I opted for mechanical disk brakes on my touring bike instead of hydro, but there is a learning curve with mechanical as well.
And you brought up an excellent point concerning torque wrench necessity that is required on carbon fiber bikes, it's asinine if you ask me! If you get the torque values wrong you could damage the part and cause a crash later down the road. Most home mechanics either don't use a torque wrench thinking it's not a big deal, or they just take it in to the shop for that stuff, problem is even most shops don't always get the correct torque values, so when something breaks then what? You can't prove who was at fault, the mechanic that applied the wrong torque value or the material broke due to some fault of its own.
Simpler is always better. They can make high tech cars without all the complications if they wanted to.
#217
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 8,431
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4407 Post(s)
Liked 4,860 Times
in
3,006 Posts
People who design products need something to do all day, so they work on new designs whether or not those designs are needed or not. As a result, our daily lives have become ever more complicated. My car has so many features that I don't even know what they all are. I see buttons to press whose purpose I've never bothered to look up in the manual. I have all kinds of messages popping up on various screens that take a long time to figure out how to turn off. Changing the time on the clock requires paging through the manual or getting on line. On my bikes, I never had any trouble figuring out how to fix or maintain things. Now I have to watch a number of videos to learn how to bleed hydraulic brakes. For me, as an older person, simpler is better in almost everything. All the innovations in bicycle development are truly unnecessary however advantageous they may be. Personally, I'd love to be able to easily buy a new bike with rim brakes, a quill stem, and components made of material that didn't require a torque wrench to adjust. Modern bikes are overall better than older bikes, but better is not always better.
Not so much that we're old and can't understand the stuff, or refuse to understand, we use computers and smart phones all the time. But I think your point is that over complication isn't necessary no matter the age. Like you said, you had to leaf through your owner's manual to figure out how to change the time, when back in the analog clock days all we did was reach for the stem knob on the clock, pull the stem and change the time, that can be done with an electric or digital clock, but no, instead we have to leaf through pages of a book to figure it out. Other stuff like a simple placement of a car battery, it took me over an hour working on a friend's Chevy Lumina just to get to the battery so we could replace it! I then ended up cutting a bracket off because they didn't make a tool on the general market that could reach the bolt, but with all the crap that went on over the battery the bracket wasn't necessary anyways, that battery wasn't going to move. I found out later that a lot of mechanics did the same thing I did to that bracket! And that battery placement wasn't even the worse location, some Buicks you had to remove the front driver's wheel, remove the fender liner, and then remove brackets and bracings to get the battery out. One car model the battery is under the rear seat, which meant you have to remove the rear seat since it doesn't tilt up and forward to allow access. Some cars you have to take off the fuel injection system to get the rear 3 plugs out. All cars today require removing the dash to get to the heater core, that's an 8 hour labor charge for a $32 part! All they had to do was put into the firewall mounted by 2 bolts, and the core would fit into a a slot on the firewall, easy to excess and easy to repair. The list goes on and on.
What is funny is when you go into a dealership to look at a new or used cars, even the sales staff can't figure out all the crap on all the cars, there's too much variety between cars, whereas in the old days any sales person could figure out how to operate anything in the car. I have people tell me that they couldn't figure out something on their car even after reading the manual, take it to the car dealer, the sales person would sit in the car for about 30 minutes unable to figure it out themselves, only to say read the owner's manual and give up in frustration.
Then when something breaks it costs a lot of money to replace. For example, my neighbor has a Toyota Prius, the info screen died, $3,200 later it was repaired, really? Everything in that car is accessed through the info screen, not unlike a Tesla which would probably cost at least twice as much to repair. What happens if the radio in a modern car needs to be replaced, on most cars you can't simply put in a new head unit, you have to go back to the dealer and get the radio assuming it's still being made.
Unless you're a gear head and like to dink around with your bike more often than not, then trying to figure out how to bleed hydro brakes is a waste of my time! Which is why I opted for mechanical disk brakes on my touring bike instead of hydro, but there is a learning curve with mechanical as well.
And you brought up an excellent point concerning torque wrench necessity that is required on carbon fiber bikes, it's asinine if you ask me! If you get the torque values wrong you could damage the part and cause a crash later down the road. Most home mechanics either don't use a torque wrench thinking it's not a big deal, or they just take it in to the shop for that stuff, problem is even most shops don't always get the correct torque values, so when something breaks then what? You can't prove who was at fault, the mechanic that applied the wrong torque value or the material broke due to some fault of its own.
Simpler is always better. They can make high tech cars without all the complications if they wanted to.
What is funny is when you go into a dealership to look at a new or used cars, even the sales staff can't figure out all the crap on all the cars, there's too much variety between cars, whereas in the old days any sales person could figure out how to operate anything in the car. I have people tell me that they couldn't figure out something on their car even after reading the manual, take it to the car dealer, the sales person would sit in the car for about 30 minutes unable to figure it out themselves, only to say read the owner's manual and give up in frustration.
Then when something breaks it costs a lot of money to replace. For example, my neighbor has a Toyota Prius, the info screen died, $3,200 later it was repaired, really? Everything in that car is accessed through the info screen, not unlike a Tesla which would probably cost at least twice as much to repair. What happens if the radio in a modern car needs to be replaced, on most cars you can't simply put in a new head unit, you have to go back to the dealer and get the radio assuming it's still being made.
Unless you're a gear head and like to dink around with your bike more often than not, then trying to figure out how to bleed hydro brakes is a waste of my time! Which is why I opted for mechanical disk brakes on my touring bike instead of hydro, but there is a learning curve with mechanical as well.
And you brought up an excellent point concerning torque wrench necessity that is required on carbon fiber bikes, it's asinine if you ask me! If you get the torque values wrong you could damage the part and cause a crash later down the road. Most home mechanics either don't use a torque wrench thinking it's not a big deal, or they just take it in to the shop for that stuff, problem is even most shops don't always get the correct torque values, so when something breaks then what? You can't prove who was at fault, the mechanic that applied the wrong torque value or the material broke due to some fault of its own.
Simpler is always better. They can make high tech cars without all the complications if they wanted to.
#218
Tragically Ignorant
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 15,613
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8186 Post(s)
Liked 9,098 Times
in
5,054 Posts
If something is enormously advantageous, it is not "truly unnecessary". It might be unnecessary in the strictest sense of the word in that you could ride without it but, in that sense, the entire bicycle is unnecessary because you could survive without riding.
Better is always better. If it's not better, then it's not better.
Jeez, the clocks in cars are a hell of a lot easier to set than when you had to flip through 12 hours worth of mechanical tabs because you couldn't flip backwards, and those mechanical clocks always broke. Now I push a couple of digital buttons and my time adjusts, you've got to be kidding me.
#219
Tragically Ignorant
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 15,613
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8186 Post(s)
Liked 9,098 Times
in
5,054 Posts
Those screeds sounded like a pile of hogwash to me, and I'm old enough to say "hogwash".
Likes For livedarklions:
#220
Senior Member
PeteHski,
No, this is not what happens when you get old. It happens when you assess current circumstances and draw conclusions. I see nothing closed-minded about not embracing all new bike technology. Some people like anything new, some like nothing new, and some, like myself, some things new and some things not. I like advances in tire technology resulting in fewer flats as well as developments in lightweight materials, advances that do not make my life more complicated.
No, this is not what happens when you get old. It happens when you assess current circumstances and draw conclusions. I see nothing closed-minded about not embracing all new bike technology. Some people like anything new, some like nothing new, and some, like myself, some things new and some things not. I like advances in tire technology resulting in fewer flats as well as developments in lightweight materials, advances that do not make my life more complicated.
#221
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 8,431
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4407 Post(s)
Liked 4,860 Times
in
3,006 Posts
PeteHski,
No, this is not what happens when you get old. It happens when you assess current circumstances and draw conclusions. I see nothing closed-minded about not embracing all new bike technology. Some people like anything new, some like nothing new, and some, like myself, some things new and some things not. I like advances in tire technology resulting in fewer flats as well as developments in lightweight materials, advances that do not make my life more complicated.
No, this is not what happens when you get old. It happens when you assess current circumstances and draw conclusions. I see nothing closed-minded about not embracing all new bike technology. Some people like anything new, some like nothing new, and some, like myself, some things new and some things not. I like advances in tire technology resulting in fewer flats as well as developments in lightweight materials, advances that do not make my life more complicated.
#222
Guest
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 2,888
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1346 Post(s)
Liked 3,270 Times
in
1,439 Posts
#223
Tragically Ignorant
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 15,613
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8186 Post(s)
Liked 9,098 Times
in
5,054 Posts
Do you need a torque wrench?
(No, not a serious question)
#224
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,949
Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3952 Post(s)
Liked 7,297 Times
in
2,947 Posts
Likes For tomato coupe:
#225
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Fargo ND
Posts: 899
Bikes: Time Scylon, Lynskey R350, Ritchey Breakaway, Ritchey Double Switchback, Lynskey Ridgeline, ICAN Fatbike
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 464 Post(s)
Liked 547 Times
in
307 Posts
A Chevy Chevette that "got 55 to 60 mpg with a carbureted car!" Not likely. My mum's got mid 20's being driven mostly highway miles. And it was the "Scooter" model. The one that didn't even have a radio. Maybe one of the diesel Chevettes would get 50. Try and find one today. Almost all of them have rusted away into oblivion. Gone and not missed, except by folks filled with nostalgia for "the good old days." But the good old days are NOW!