Dan Chase

Hi Guys,
Just picked up a `58 or `59 Coppi Fiorelli team frame and forks - its been repainted and re-decalled at some point and will need a ton of work to bring it back, however, before I start the project, doe`s anyone have any knowledge of the settup/colour/decals?

I`m guessing it would have been Campagnolo Gran sport with Magistoni cranks, Universal 51 brakes and an Ambrosio stem/bar combo?

Colour looks like a silver/light green?

Help please, thanks, Dan.

iab

Here is what could be Coppi's own bike from 1958-1959 - Bici Classiche : Coppi Fiorelli 1958-59
If you want, I do have Paolo's email. It's his blog.

I agree with your components except a Campagnolo Record crank and Campagnolo Record all-aluminum hubs.

juvela

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interesting to see that rider's mount exhibits the tubular crown

the manufacturer seemed to do a bit of back and forth with the tubular crown during the time it was employed with some machines receiving conventional semi-sloping models and some tubular

here is the Luxembourger cycling champion Charly Gaul competing in the Giro d'Italia of 1961
his machine has the tubular crown and the team name at that time was Gazzola - Fiorelli
appears in this image that team colour was silver:


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Dan Chase

Ah, you mean this tubular fork crown? I did say the frame had been re-painted - and they covered the small details while they were at it - anyone got any round "Coppi" fork roundals....





Great resource - Bici Clasicche - the pics of the original Coppi Carpano are going to be very helpfull - but why do I still see a hint of green in the silver paint???




Thanks, Dan.

juvela

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the fork on the machine piloted by Charly Gaul is clearly blue

made me wonder if perhaps he had crashed earlier and a replacement was fitted to his machine

note bandage on right knee



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Dan Chase

I meant the colour of the Carpano team bike ridden by Coppi in th pic under the blue frame close up - looking at the pics it now looks like silver with a hint of blue - I`ve seen a couple of bright silver restaurations and they don`t look right to me.

masispecial

Congratulations! I was keen on that frame myself.
Here is a link to some photos that I took on 2006 of one of Coppi’s bikes at the Museo di Campionissimi at Novi Ligure; plus some from Facebook of another of his Tricofilina bikes that was exhibited in Italy more recently. The guy in the puffer vest if Faustino Coppi, and I think his daughter Marina is in some of the photos also.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/bensondoc/GYD1Xt

Dan Chase

Now thats a resource - many thanks for posting the link, your pics are perfect, just what I need. I figured it was the amount of work the frame needed that put people off - I almost passed on it it as it would need a fullpaint - no issue in itself but on a historic frame its a challenge, would have soooo much prefered original finish on this one - plus I realised where my eye for the frame colour was going wrong, the original colour of Coppi`s bike is silver (not bright silver, more of a grey silver) but the lacquer has aged a bit like varnish and kind of yellowed, making any sort of a match almost impossible...
Thanks, Dan.

masispecial

Youre welcome. I am glad those photo are of use to someone.

Here are a couple of other links that might be useful:
Désiré Keteleer
Tricofilina - Coppi 1959

repechage

that "tubular" crown was actually a casting, internal spigots for the fork blades.
not lightweight but sturdy.
I have one.
a series production machine but I was impressed with the handwork at the seat lug, the binder ears filled with a tube and brass.

repechage

A number of the links in this thread have my browser very upset, could see the postcard and that's it.

repechage

Dan Chase

Alas my browser won`t allow those links to open - can you copy and paste some of the info on this thread if possible please,thanks, Dan.

iab

Just delete the "s" from https and you get this.

Désiré Keteleer

Tricofilina - Coppi 1959

Dan Chase

Ah yes, got it now, details on frames rider Des Keteleer and the Tricoflilina team - great stuff, lots more research to be done I think, thanks, Dan.

repechage

attempted that and it was adware-palozza
might be some useful info behind all the rubbish

iab

So I posted links without the "s" and it seems bikeforums added the "s". But if I do delete the s, it just takes me to Cycling Archive, no adware-palooza. I guess the internet just sucks sometimes.