Kilroy1988 

EDITED!

Hello all,

As some of you know I am selling numerous bicycles as I wind down my cycling for a time and enter a new stage of life (parenthood). I have plans to keep a couple of bicycles around and thought this Jo Routens would have to go for sure because of its value. However, a friend of mine wants to provide a favor in exchange for a real estate transaction I facilitated, so he is "buying" the bike in order to let me keep it!

That being said, the Jo Routens is off the market. Cheers!

-Gregory

heidelbergensis 

absolutely magnificent

masispecial

What is the saddle height in the photos?

Kilroy1988 

It's set about 94cm from the top of the pedal. Cheers!

-Gregory

Rooney 

Typically, saddle height is measured as pictured, from the center of the crank to the top of the saddle.

I wish this frame were a little larger. I'm glad I don't have to worry about the temptation.

Kilroy1988 

Yes, but if you want to keep the original crankset the measurement I gave is more useful. The crank arms could be 165, 170, 175, or even closer to 180 (such as 7" British crank arms) on bikes this old with no other options available at the time. Most of my old British bikes either had 6 1/2" or 7" crank arms - that's a difference of nearly 13mm, which definitely impacts my saddle height.

If I provided the "typical" measurement you suggest above it would be irrelevant without knowing the crank arm length, which I haven't stated. I think it's 175 but I'll have to measure it to confirm.

no67el

Dang, dang dang.... my size, and beautiful. Wish I could instantly sell about 5 lesser bikes to fund this one... but it deserves a bump for sure.

romperrr 

If this was local, I'd love to give it a ride. The ST *might* be too tall for me, the TT would fit. On a bike of this pedigree and cost, I'd need to ride it before I buy it. GLWS!

MyOldBikes

Hey, Gregory:

I understand your concern about the effect of crank length on seat position. Personally, however, I would rather have the measurement between the center of the bottom bracket axle and the top of the saddle, measured parallel to the seat tube. It's always better to measure between fixed points and let others accomodate for the difference in crank length. Honestly, we don't know whether the crank was vertical or parallel to the seat tube when you made the measurement. We also don't know if the crank was even exactly where you thought it was when you made the measurement! Seat post adjustment allows for the (small) variation in crank length.

Kilroy1988 

Interesting choice of a first post. Regardless of your preferences or mine, requesting any measurement to the top of the saddle should be moot in such a case, because if someone's wondering about saddle height based on a photograph the angle that the photo was taken from could be creating a distortion in what one thinks they're seeing anyway. The only reasonable measurements to base your fit around if you're looking to buy a bicycle are those unchangeable aspects of frame dimensions.

Your last statement regarding seat post adjustments is even more reason to disregard a request for saddle height information - if you're going to have to change it then what's the point of knowing where the saddle is when it's set up for someone else?

-Gregory

Sedgemop 

Congrats on keeping this one. It's a beaut.

Kilroy1988 

Well, I am currently having a conversation with one discerning buyer, but I am holding off until I complete another build to see which will be the one to go!

-Gregory

Sedgemop 

When I let go of something I really like, I usually request "first refusal" if the buyer winds up selling. Hopefully, you can do something like that with this one of you sell it. Not likely to see another of these in this size.