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11-04-21, 10:32 PM
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11-04-21, 11:00 PM
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Ok,
3x - start with the triple
2x - we take a front cog off of 3x and add it to the rear cassette, resulting in slightly inferior range.
We put 2x on race bikes which is where bike-fashion comes from (the "want to feel fast" crowd).
So 2x is basically a slightly inferior version of 3x, but since it's become "fashionable", someone is trying hard to pretend there's some practical difference, which there is not.
There is no practical reason to move from 3x to 2x, other than fashion.
11-04-21, 11:08 PM
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11-04-21, 11:43 PM
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My jerseys have 3 pockets in the back and I’ll sometimes use all 3.
Cargo shorts, now that’s an analogy.
John
Cargo shorts, now that’s an analogy.
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11-05-21, 04:14 AM
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@PaulRivers will go down in BF lore as the guy who hates pocket Ts ......
11-05-21, 05:04 AM
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Taking a shirt with 1 front pocket (that no one actually uses) and giving it 3 front pockets (that no one uses) is a change in fashion, not functionality.
Trying to convince everyone the old style is "obscure" or comparing to fictional 4x front chainrings are exactly the kind of things marketers do to push new fashion while pretending it's about functionality.
Likewise removing a cog from the front just to add it back on the back is a fashion change.
Eh, it was the polite way of avoiding saying that the only way to say about bikes in general is that the person has no idea what's actually sold in bikes shops.
Trying to convince everyone the old style is "obscure" or comparing to fictional 4x front chainrings are exactly the kind of things marketers do to push new fashion while pretending it's about functionality.
Likewise removing a cog from the front just to add it back on the back is a fashion change.
Eh, it was the polite way of avoiding saying that the only way to say about bikes in general is that the person has no idea what's actually sold in bikes shops.
Moving several cogs to the back is quite a functional change in my book, unless you think shifting front gears is just as quick and efficient as shifting rear gears - especially under power. It's the main reason why mtbs are all now 1x. Nobody ever enjoyed shifting front rings while charging along challenging single-track. For road riding it's not such a big deal, but still the FD is the crudest piece of engineering on a modern bike and we are soooo close to being able to get rid of it today.
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11-05-21, 05:06 AM
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11-05-21, 05:16 AM
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You don't understand simple analogies?
Ok,
3x - start with the triple
2x - we take a front cog off of 3x and add it to the rear cassette, resulting in slightly inferior range.
We put 2x on race bikes which is where bike-fashion comes from (the "want to feel fast" crowd).
So 2x is basically a slightly inferior version of 3x, but since it's become "fashionable", someone is trying hard to pretend there's some practical difference, which there is not.
There is no practical reason to move from 3x to 2x, other than fashion.
Ok,
3x - start with the triple
2x - we take a front cog off of 3x and add it to the rear cassette, resulting in slightly inferior range.
We put 2x on race bikes which is where bike-fashion comes from (the "want to feel fast" crowd).
So 2x is basically a slightly inferior version of 3x, but since it's become "fashionable", someone is trying hard to pretend there's some practical difference, which there is not.
There is no practical reason to move from 3x to 2x, other than fashion.
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11-05-21, 05:32 AM
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This thread is the worst use of the Chewbacca defense. EVER.
Yet somehow still made it to 19 pages.
Yet somehow still made it to 19 pages.
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11-05-21, 05:45 AM
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11-05-21, 05:51 AM
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His follow up post kind of shows where the OP is at i.e. both cynical and ignorant. Nice way to live life.
11-05-21, 06:46 AM
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11-05-21, 07:04 AM
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You don't understand simple analogies?
Ok,
3x - start with the triple
2x - we take a front cog off of 3x and add it to the rear cassette, resulting in slightly inferior range.
We put 2x on race bikes which is where bike-fashion comes from (the "want to feel fast" crowd).
So 2x is basically a slightly inferior version of 3x, but since it's become "fashionable", someone is trying hard to pretend there's some practical difference, which there is not.
There is no practical reason to move from 3x to 2x, other than fashion.
Ok,
3x - start with the triple
2x - we take a front cog off of 3x and add it to the rear cassette, resulting in slightly inferior range.
We put 2x on race bikes which is where bike-fashion comes from (the "want to feel fast" crowd).
So 2x is basically a slightly inferior version of 3x, but since it's become "fashionable", someone is trying hard to pretend there's some practical difference, which there is not.
There is no practical reason to move from 3x to 2x, other than fashion.
2x is a mechanically simpler system than 3x and it's met the gearing needs of the vast majority of derailleur bike riders for many decades now. To attribute that to some sort of marketing fad is absurd.
Yes, there was some shifting of the market from triples to the compact double on road bikes, but that happened more than a decade ago, and can hardly be seen as some kind of fad.
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11-05-21, 07:16 AM
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The only thing here that "doesn't make any sense" is that this ridiculous thread has gone to 19 pages.
11-05-21, 07:16 AM
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You don't understand simple analogies?
Ok,
3x - start with the triple
2x - we take a front cog off of 3x and add it to the rear cassette, resulting in slightly inferior range.
We put 2x on race bikes which is where bike-fashion comes from (the "want to feel fast" crowd).
So 2x is basically a slightly inferior version of 3x, but since it's become "fashionable", someone is trying hard to pretend there's some practical difference, which there is not.
There is no practical reason to move from 3x to 2x, other than fashion.
Ok,
3x - start with the triple
2x - we take a front cog off of 3x and add it to the rear cassette, resulting in slightly inferior range.
We put 2x on race bikes which is where bike-fashion comes from (the "want to feel fast" crowd).
So 2x is basically a slightly inferior version of 3x, but since it's become "fashionable", someone is trying hard to pretend there's some practical difference, which there is not.
There is no practical reason to move from 3x to 2x, other than fashion.
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11-05-21, 07:18 AM
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It was already flying in my face by page 14.
11-05-21, 08:23 AM
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The joke's on you, pal. Encoded in this thread is a complete prophesy of the future of cycling in the entire world, but only the cognoscenti will be able to decipher it.
And don't go to those Velominati poseurs, they definitely don't have the decoder ring.
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For the riding I do, the 1x drivetrain has proven perfectly fine. I like it, and doubt I'd go back. Don't miss the double at all, and I like the simplicity of 1x.
Of course, that's because I'm "stupid", 'never learned to shift properly', and a victim of the Evil Schemes of Big Bike, according to teh Biek Forms' hive mind.
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1x11: 42 ring; 11-42 cassette. Previous bike was a double: 48/34; 12-32.
For the riding I do, the 1x drivetrain has proven perfectly fine. I like it, and doubt I'd go back. Don't miss the double at all, and I like the simplicity of 1x.
Of course, that's because I'm "stupid", 'never learned to shift properly', and a victim of the Evil Schemes of Big Bike, according to teh Biek Forms' hive mind.
For the riding I do, the 1x drivetrain has proven perfectly fine. I like it, and doubt I'd go back. Don't miss the double at all, and I like the simplicity of 1x.
Of course, that's because I'm "stupid", 'never learned to shift properly', and a victim of the Evil Schemes of Big Bike, according to teh Biek Forms' hive mind.
You just don't know you want what you shouldn't want because of your lack of knowledge about what you should want to want.
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It kinda boils down to the fact-------------change for the sake of change is no progress at all. It only appeals to those that want to have the "latest" in equipment.