Why “Share The Road” Is Gone in Delaware
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Why “Share The Road” Is Gone in Delaware
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Interesting points. Yes I know it's almost 2 mths ago but I don't see any topic on this. Should other states follow suit?
Interesting points. Yes I know it's almost 2 mths ago but I don't see any topic on this. Should other states follow suit?
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Yeah, I have never been a big fan of "Share the Road." It just never seemed to mean anything...
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For traffic engineers, with our many years of experience with traffic control devices, “Share The Road” is yet another example of “feel good” signage that placates an interest group but has no safety benefit and adds useless and distracting clutter to the visual landscape.
For cyclists in Delaware (and elsewhere), “Share The Road” had long been interpreted as a sign primarily directed at motorists. Cyclists thought it meant something like “Motorists: be cool.” But for many motorists, “Share The Road” is often interpreted as a sign primarily directed at cyclists and meant something more like “Bicyclists: don’t slow me down.” But we finally realized (after years of pointless yelling back and forth between cyclists and motorists, both yelling “Share The Road” at each other!), that “Share The Road” not only doesn’t help, it actually contributes to conflict and confusion.
For cyclists in Delaware (and elsewhere), “Share The Road” had long been interpreted as a sign primarily directed at motorists. Cyclists thought it meant something like “Motorists: be cool.” But for many motorists, “Share The Road” is often interpreted as a sign primarily directed at cyclists and meant something more like “Bicyclists: don’t slow me down.” But we finally realized (after years of pointless yelling back and forth between cyclists and motorists, both yelling “Share The Road” at each other!), that “Share The Road” not only doesn’t help, it actually contributes to conflict and confusion.
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Why ?Share The Road? Is Gone in Delaware | Bike Delaware Inc.
Interesting points. Yes I know it's almost 2 mths ago but I don't see any topic on this. Should other states follow suit?
Interesting points. Yes I know it's almost 2 mths ago but I don't see any topic on this. Should other states follow suit?
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-s...hare-road.html
I didn't see much benefit from the signs, and agreed with the policy to stop spending time and money installing them. I also agree there are bigger issues affecting bicyclists, and would not have chosen to spend time and money removing most of them:
1st State BIKES: An unjust war on "Share The Road"
Your experience may be very different, depending on local laws and local drivers.
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I agree, the signs are put there to attempt to change the behavior of motorists, but many of them seem to interpret them as "Yeah, bicyclists - share the road - that means GET OUTTA MY WAY."
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Why ?Share The Road? Is Gone in Delaware | Bike Delaware Inc.
Interesting points. Yes I know it's almost 2 mths ago but I don't see any topic on this. Should other states follow suit?
Interesting points. Yes I know it's almost 2 mths ago but I don't see any topic on this. Should other states follow suit?
Maryland leads, but counties hesitate on new bike signs - Greater Greater Washington
Yeah, I have never been a big fan of "Share the Road." It just never seemed to mean anything...
- See more at: Why ?Share The Road? Is Gone in Delaware | Bike Delaware Inc.
- See more at: Why ?Share The Road? Is Gone in Delaware | Bike Delaware Inc.
It's actually been 1½-2 years. There is a topic here:
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-s...hare-road.html
I didn't see much benefit from the signs, and agreed with the policy to stop spending time and money installing them. I also agree there are bigger issues affecting bicyclists, and would not have chosen to spend time and money removing most of them:
1st State BIKES: An unjust war on "Share The Road"
Your experience may be very different, depending on local laws and local drivers.
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-s...hare-road.html
I didn't see much benefit from the signs, and agreed with the policy to stop spending time and money installing them. I also agree there are bigger issues affecting bicyclists, and would not have chosen to spend time and money removing most of them:
1st State BIKES: An unjust war on "Share The Road"
Your experience may be very different, depending on local laws and local drivers.
AGREE AGAIN!!!
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It makes little difference either way. We began converting to the "may use full lane" signs several years ago. We've a bunch of them where I ride and there's very minimal difference in driver behavior. Maybe instead of getting buzzed once every 100 miles it's now every 125 miles.
The reality is that someone with a xxxhp car that can get up to speed quickly and can easily go 100 mph doesn't like constantly being slowed and delayed by someone doing 15 in a 45. And perhaps especially when they see similarly dressed people blowing stop signs and red lights fairly frequently. No matter that the person delaying them may be the most law abiding rider out there, drivers still lump all MAPILs together, especially when they're irritated with being delayed again and again and again.
No country that I'm aware of has been successful with bicycles and motor vehicles sharing the road.
The reality is that someone with a xxxhp car that can get up to speed quickly and can easily go 100 mph doesn't like constantly being slowed and delayed by someone doing 15 in a 45. And perhaps especially when they see similarly dressed people blowing stop signs and red lights fairly frequently. No matter that the person delaying them may be the most law abiding rider out there, drivers still lump all MAPILs together, especially when they're irritated with being delayed again and again and again.
No country that I'm aware of has been successful with bicycles and motor vehicles sharing the road.
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It makes little difference either way. We began converting to the "may use full lane" signs several years ago. We've a bunch of them where I ride and there's very minimal difference in driver behavior. Maybe instead of getting buzzed once every 100 miles it's now every 125 miles.
The reality is that someone with a xxxhp car that can get up to speed quickly and can easily go 100 mph doesn't like constantly being slowed and delayed by someone doing 15 in a 45. And perhaps especially when they see similarly dressed people blowing stop signs and red lights fairly frequently. No matter that the person delaying them may be the most law abiding rider out there, drivers still lump all MAPILs together, especially when they're irritated with being delayed again and again and again.
No country that I'm aware of has been successful with bicycles and motor vehicles sharing the road.
The reality is that someone with a xxxhp car that can get up to speed quickly and can easily go 100 mph doesn't like constantly being slowed and delayed by someone doing 15 in a 45. And perhaps especially when they see similarly dressed people blowing stop signs and red lights fairly frequently. No matter that the person delaying them may be the most law abiding rider out there, drivers still lump all MAPILs together, especially when they're irritated with being delayed again and again and again.
No country that I'm aware of has been successful with bicycles and motor vehicles sharing the road.
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The Netherlands (and increasingly other countries) deal with these by designating some streets as bicycle streets. These have 13 or 18 mph speed limits and often motor vehicles are not allowed to pass bicycle riders. These are all also local access only (e.g., not a through street) which makes it much more palatable to drivers to drive so slow because it is only for a very short distance at the beginning or end of their journey. Any road that is not a bicycle street has a bikeway (nearly always a protected bikeway) so bicycle riders do not delay motor vehicles (and perhaps better, bicycle riders are not delayed by motor vehicles).
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The "slowing drivers down" think makes me somewhat amused. If you added up delays I cause to every driver on my route I bet it's less than 10 seconds, and actually zero because they make it up as soon as they're past me, by catching up to the car they were behind in the first place anyway.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
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I'm on the road 8 to 10 hours a day and your statement doesn't reflect reality. Impatient people will react badly to anyone or anything inconveniencing them. Just the other day I saw a motorist flip off and blow by a work site flagged.
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The "slowing drivers down" think makes me somewhat amused. If you added up delays I cause to every driver on my route I bet it's less than 10 seconds, and actually zero because they make it up as soon as they're past me, by catching up to the car they were behind in the first place anyway.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
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The "slowing drivers down" think makes me somewhat amused. If you added up delays I cause to every driver on my route I bet it's less than 10 seconds, and actually zero because they make it up as soon as they're past me, by catching up to the car they were behind in the first place anyway.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
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(I have not read the Y-T link; only reply to the comments as of yet)
As I am in the same area as genec --- the unpredictable results of who "Use Full Lane" in San Diego > depends on the body profile of that cyclist.
Many San Diego road cyclists are JEALOUS of those cyclists having the better body profile on upper end bikes, who "Use Full Lane." Be there no "Use (of) Full Lane" done of the innocent cyclist, those cars (driven by San Diego cyclists) will only invade INTO that bike lane. As retaliation.
In San Diego, with lower end bikes: those with that controversial body profile are consistently judged as "druggies."
San Diego is a very pre-judgmental location. As cyclists are judged a far distance ahead IF SEEN AT ALL.
As I am in the same area as genec --- the unpredictable results of who "Use Full Lane" in San Diego > depends on the body profile of that cyclist.
Many San Diego road cyclists are JEALOUS of those cyclists having the better body profile on upper end bikes, who "Use Full Lane." Be there no "Use (of) Full Lane" done of the innocent cyclist, those cars (driven by San Diego cyclists) will only invade INTO that bike lane. As retaliation.
In San Diego, with lower end bikes: those with that controversial body profile are consistently judged as "druggies."
San Diego is a very pre-judgmental location. As cyclists are judged a far distance ahead IF SEEN AT ALL.
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Someone who does that is a jerk and there are a few of them on the road, about 1% of drivers. In reality though this is a very rare instance compared to motorists being slowed to 10 or 15 mph in a 30 or 45 mph zone.
The Netherlands (and increasingly other countries) deal with these by designating some streets as bicycle streets. These have 13 or 18 mph speed limits and often motor vehicles are not allowed to pass bicycle riders. These are all also local access only (e.g., not a through street) which makes it much more palatable to drivers to drive so slow because it is only for a very short distance at the beginning or end of their journey. Any road that is not a bicycle street has a bikeway (nearly always a protected bikeway) so bicycle riders do not delay motor vehicles (and perhaps better, bicycle riders are not delayed by motor vehicles).
The Netherlands (and increasingly other countries) deal with these by designating some streets as bicycle streets. These have 13 or 18 mph speed limits and often motor vehicles are not allowed to pass bicycle riders. These are all also local access only (e.g., not a through street) which makes it much more palatable to drivers to drive so slow because it is only for a very short distance at the beginning or end of their journey. Any road that is not a bicycle street has a bikeway (nearly always a protected bikeway) so bicycle riders do not delay motor vehicles (and perhaps better, bicycle riders are not delayed by motor vehicles).
The "slowing drivers down" think makes me somewhat amused. If you added up delays I cause to every driver on my route I bet it's less than 10 seconds, and actually zero because they make it up as soon as they're past me, by catching up to the car they were behind in the first place anyway.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
OTOH, cars slow me down by at least a minute, often 5 or more minutes, on every commute.
For both medical, and personal, reasons. I don't drive. I actually feel safer, on my bike. Than I do in a car. Even though I don't have a 'cage' around me.
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(no sic, no exagg to this message):
Go to San Diego --- motorists (as many of them also are cyclists themselves) are so crazy, that be you do your behavior to them. They will RETALLIATE. If you're lucky, only threaten you verbally -- and not remember of your description via bike/body.
Even the p.d. will side with them, as the motor vehicle brings $ to the city/county/state.
Have fun (esp) in San Diego; and likely other further soCal areas -- testing your mindset.
Go to San Diego --- motorists (as many of them also are cyclists themselves) are so crazy, that be you do your behavior to them. They will RETALLIATE. If you're lucky, only threaten you verbally -- and not remember of your description via bike/body.
Even the p.d. will side with them, as the motor vehicle brings $ to the city/county/state.
Have fun (esp) in San Diego; and likely other further soCal areas -- testing your mindset.
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I am frequently slowed by a bicycle rider on a road where I have no legal and often no safe options but to sit behind them going 10 mph. It's usually not a big issue when it's one person but sometimes this will happen several times during one trip and that can get pretty irritating.
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That would be illegal. And here a $340 ticket (plus fees and court costs). Not to mention that in most cases the double yellow is there for a reason such as not being able to see approaching traffic over a hill.
I am frequently slowed by a bicycle rider on a road where I have no legal and often no safe options but to sit behind them going 10 mph. It's usually not a big issue when it's one person but sometimes this will happen several times during one trip and that can get pretty irritating.
I am frequently slowed by a bicycle rider on a road where I have no legal and often no safe options but to sit behind them going 10 mph. It's usually not a big issue when it's one person but sometimes this will happen several times during one trip and that can get pretty irritating.
Or be ez only --- when it be a bunch together, that will stand up together for themselves, if someone within that bunch of cyclists gets sideswiped or knocked down?
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That would be illegal. And here a $340 ticket (plus fees and court costs). Not to mention that in most cases the double yellow is there for a reason such as not being able to see approaching traffic over a hill.
I am frequently slowed by a bicycle rider on a road where I have no legal and often no safe options but to sit behind them going 10 mph. It's usually not a big issue when it's one person but sometimes this will happen several times during one trip and that can get pretty irritating.
I am frequently slowed by a bicycle rider on a road where I have no legal and often no safe options but to sit behind them going 10 mph. It's usually not a big issue when it's one person but sometimes this will happen several times during one trip and that can get pretty irritating.
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The article you posted says that it is illegal but that they sponsored a bill to make crossing the yellow lines legal. It does not appear that the bill passed (and I would be extremely surprised if it did since there is a very good reason that cars are not allowed to cross double yellow, namely the danger of head-on collisions with oncoming traffic).
https://www.baltimorespokes.org/artic...30426172616876
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But it is typically legal to drive left of center to go around an "obstruction". Unless there is a explicit exception of what may not be considered an "obstruction" or that it must be stationary, one may argue a cyclist moving significantly below the speed of normal traffic is an "obstruction" and one may drive left of center to go around them, if safe to do so, regardless of lane markings.
https://www.baltimorespokes.org/artic...30426172616876
https://www.baltimorespokes.org/artic...30426172616876
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Good luck with that in court. If you get a really sympathetic judge you might get by with it but I think most judges would uphold the violation. I think the only way a bicycle can be considered an obstruction in this sense is if the rider and bike are on the ground waiting for an ambulance. Besides the legal issue is the perhaps more important issue that the reason for double yellow is most often due to danger of oncoming traffic so most drivers don't want to cross them anyway nor should they.
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Good luck with that in court. If you get a really sympathetic judge you might get by with it but I think most judges would uphold the violation. I think the only way a bicycle can be considered an obstruction in this sense is if the rider and bike are on the ground waiting for an ambulance. Besides the legal issue is the perhaps more important issue that the reason for double yellow is most often due to danger of oncoming traffic so most drivers don't want to cross them anyway nor should they.
BTW about the only way a cop is going to issue a ticket to a motorist crossing said double yellow, while passing a cyclist, is if said motorist gets into a collision... in which case the motorist deserves said ticket and more.
Now if you are attempting to cross a double yellow to pass a whole herd of cyclists all at once... well frankly you probably deserve a ticket in that instance too...