Roadies and HED wheels?
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Roadies and HED wheels?
Is there any particular reason that roadies (rim brake) have never taken to HED wheels, other than the vanity of wanting full carbon? I get they are slightly heavier than comparable Zipp 404 and the like of 55-60mm depth, but they're also much cheaper, likely sturdier, and you get the benefit of textured aluminum brake tracks. I've owned sets of full carbons over the years, and have never given the HED's any thought, in large part because no one outside triathlons rides them. Am I missing something, or are these a good buy roadies have been missing out on?
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Last September I purchased a set of Hed Ardennes RA Performance disc wheels. I like them very much, internal width just under 21mm, but run them with latex tubes. 27mm Open Pave clinchers measure out to 29.1 mm on these rims. I would prefer a quieter rear hub, but it is not a big deal. I had ordered a set of Ardennes Pro rim brake wheels that were on sale, but also on backorder, and came to my senses and canceled the order. I would like to have the wheels, but just do not need them. I definitely would definitely recommend to another rider, high quality wheels that look really good. I like the dark, low visual impact decals on the rims.
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In roadie world there's a lasting, and bad, data point of wheel weight mattering more than aero. It matters for sure. If you can afford both, go for best of both. If you can afford just one, look at where you live. Is it mountains, or hills? If it's not mountains, go aero.
But the alloy/fairing combo thing is always some reason shunned by some roadies due to this data point but also pure vanity. Folks want to spend to either get the black alloy brake track or all carbon just for the looks. Without even caring about the performance or weights.
Road bike has the HED 6+. I train on the tt bike with a 9+ and 23mm wide disc from HED. All alloy brake track wheels.
But the alloy/fairing combo thing is always some reason shunned by some roadies due to this data point but also pure vanity. Folks want to spend to either get the black alloy brake track or all carbon just for the looks. Without even caring about the performance or weights.
Road bike has the HED 6+. I train on the tt bike with a 9+ and 23mm wide disc from HED. All alloy brake track wheels.
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Is there any particular reason that roadies (rim brake) have never taken to HED wheels, other than the vanity of wanting full carbon? I get they are slightly heavier than comparable Zipp 404 and the like of 55-60mm depth, but they're also much cheaper, likely sturdier, and you get the benefit of textured aluminum brake tracks. I've owned sets of full carbons over the years, and have never given the HED's any thought, in large part because no one outside triathlons rides them. Am I missing something, or are these a good buy roadies have been missing out on?
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Is there any particular reason that roadies (rim brake) have never taken to HED wheels, other than the vanity of wanting full carbon? I get they are slightly heavier than comparable Zipp 404 and the like of 55-60mm depth, but they're also much cheaper, likely sturdier, and you get the benefit of textured aluminum brake tracks. I've owned sets of full carbons over the years, and have never given the HED's any thought, in large part because no one outside triathlons rides them. Am I missing something, or are these a good buy roadies have been missing out on?
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I have two rim brake road bikes with HED Belgium+ rims laced to Chris King hubs.
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GCN and others have noted that a carbon fiber fairing would not withstand the resulting force. Is it pure vanity to want some floor space in my garage?
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I thought the way to move in front of your competitors was to get a HED wheelset.
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I hang my road bike by its front wheel on my garage wall with one of these: Delta Cycle Leonardo Da Vinci Bike Storage Hook and Tray | REI Co-op
GCN and others have noted that a carbon fiber fairing would not withstand the resulting force. Is it pure vanity to want some floor space in my garage?
GCN and others have noted that a carbon fiber fairing would not withstand the resulting force. Is it pure vanity to want some floor space in my garage?
Same goes for tray bike racks on cars. I swap to the originally included cheapy alloys to transport. I wouldn't want to scratch up and crank down on the straps on the body of fancy wheels no matter the design. I transport those inside the car. I mean, some wheelsets are worth 50% or more of the bike itself. Why would I clamp down on that?
Also before "well the pro tour bike racks and wheels".........preferred method for speed to get to the bike is the adjustable downtube clamp.
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Don't blame the wheel design on the method you chose to hang bikes. I wouldn't ever personally choose the wheels of a bike to hang a bike, even if they were solid carbon. And especially if they were some $2500 Enve or other solid carbon wheels. I'd only do this if it was some high spoke count cheapy alloys.
Same goes for tray bike racks on cars. I swap to the originally included cheapy alloys to transport. I wouldn't want to scratch up and crank down on the straps on the body of fancy wheels no matter the design. I transport those inside the car. I mean, some wheelsets are worth 50% or more of the bike itself. Why would I clamp down on that?
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Are you new to the sport? I think you are referring to HED JETs since they are the aluminum rimmed carbon fairing models. A bunch of companies make/made these before like shimano C50, Zipp 404, Flo, Mavic etc. They've just gone out of style with disc brakes. I still have a pretty worn set of Zipp 404s sitting on my wall but no longer own any rim brake bikes
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Somewhat new? I started road cycling almost 5 years ago.
Right, the JET RC6. Almost ordered a set from Competitive Cyclist during a Christmas sale before the pandemic but then realized how heavy they are.
I only vaguely know of the Shimano C50 but not the others you listed.
Anyhow, the OP asked why the HED wheels with a carbon fairing over an aluminum rim with brake track did not seem to be popular, so I was only positing a potential storage issue with that type of wheel construction.
Anyhow, the OP asked why the HED wheels with a carbon fairing over an aluminum rim with brake track did not seem to be popular, so I was only positing a potential storage issue with that type of wheel construction.
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HED Belgium/Ardennes/Bastogne are my go to wheels on a road bike. They're some of the best I've used for all-around use. I may use something lighter, wider, or more aero situationally, but I have a few sets with Powertap hubs so I can switch between Shimano and Campagnolo drivetrains and be off.
I also have Hed Jets for when I want a little more aero.
They don't seem to have the same "wow" factor as something by Zipp, Campagnolo, or other high end brands, but in my opinion, perform just as well and are usually quite a bit easier on the pocketbook.
I also have Hed Jets for when I want a little more aero.
They don't seem to have the same "wow" factor as something by Zipp, Campagnolo, or other high end brands, but in my opinion, perform just as well and are usually quite a bit easier on the pocketbook.
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Are you new to the sport? I think you are referring to HED JETs since they are the aluminum rimmed carbon fairing models. A bunch of companies make/made these before like shimano C50, Zipp 404, Flo, Mavic etc. They've just gone out of style with disc brakes. I still have a pretty worn set of Zipp 404s sitting on my wall but no longer own any rim brake bikes
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2. Because the b-group rider thinks they need to shave 250g off their wheelset
3. To give something back in the argument..........they're more a triathlete/TT wheel than a pure roadie wheel
For #3, the fairing style ones that are affordable and weigh more........they're a darling in the triathlon and TT world. Where the courses aren't mountainous and aero wins out over all and you still have a budget, HED alloy fairing is the way to go. Overall weight isn't that huge a deal when you're running a full rear disc for the aero. They DO weigh more. But for the cost and aero, they're really good for a triathlon or TT wheel.
I won my class at USAC regionals on an alloy brake track HED 9+ and rear HED disc combo. Pan flat 40k. Zero need to blow money on wheel weight. I mean, unless you can and you're rich. Then by all means.
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HED has some great wheels. The Ardennes+ and Belgium+ are popular around here. I know many riders who have used Ardennes+ for road and CX racing.
I used to see a lot of HED Jets on road and tri bikes, but I think disc brakes have taken over and the benefits of the Jet design don't make as much sense anymore.
If I was running rim brakes, I'd definitely consider the Jet RC4 at $1300. But if you're on discs there are better options, like the Zipp 303s. (Does HED even make a disc brake version of the Jet?)
I used to see a lot of HED Jets on road and tri bikes, but I think disc brakes have taken over and the benefits of the Jet design don't make as much sense anymore.
If I was running rim brakes, I'd definitely consider the Jet RC4 at $1300. But if you're on discs there are better options, like the Zipp 303s. (Does HED even make a disc brake version of the Jet?)
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But yes, they did. Same for same price of course I'd go with those over the alloy normal color brake track. But I thought they cost more?
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Good question. I see they have Jet RC Black series on their website that touts a black brake track: https://hedcycling.com/products/jet-rc-black-series/
With special machining and anodizing, the result is a clean, all-black appearance and confidence-inspiring braking performance.
I'd be curious as well to see how this wears. Looks like it's $1600, compared to $1300 for the RC Performance wheel, but there may be other differences I'm not noticing.
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Don't blame the wheel design on the method you chose to hang bikes. I wouldn't ever personally choose the wheels of a bike to hang a bike, even if they were solid carbon. And especially if they were some $2500 Enve or other solid carbon wheels. I'd only do this if it was some high spoke count cheapy alloys.
Same goes for tray bike racks on cars. I swap to the originally included cheapy alloys to transport. I wouldn't want to scratch up and crank down on the straps on the body of fancy wheels no matter the design. I transport those inside the car. I mean, some wheelsets are worth 50% or more of the bike itself. Why would I clamp down on that?
Also before "well the pro tour bike racks and wheels".........preferred method for speed to get to the bike is the adjustable downtube clamp.
Same goes for tray bike racks on cars. I swap to the originally included cheapy alloys to transport. I wouldn't want to scratch up and crank down on the straps on the body of fancy wheels no matter the design. I transport those inside the car. I mean, some wheelsets are worth 50% or more of the bike itself. Why would I clamp down on that?
Also before "well the pro tour bike racks and wheels".........preferred method for speed to get to the bike is the adjustable downtube clamp.
But, I can offer that I've hung my current bike by its front carbon wheel on a hook on the wall for well over a year, and not so much as a mark on it. There's less stress on that wheel hanging on the wall than there is carrying my lard ass.
I also carry the bike on a hitch rack with trays, but I wrap the strap with about 3" length of pipe insulation, and wrap that with gaffer's tape. Not a mark on the wheels from the strap.
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My Cervelo came with HED wheels and I still ride when when they're more appropriate than my other wheels.