rick99

It used to be fairly common practice (for cheapskates) to upgrade to 11 speed changing rear mech cassette shifters and chain and leave the 10 speed chainset and front mech .
With the new 'pull' on the 2015 onwards chorus does it make this impossible as the 10speed front mech won't work?
Thanks in advance .

fietsbob

Put money in a jar every time you think of upgrading, until you have enough for that New next bike.

rick99

That's a fair point, but i need another cassette and rear mech anyway so was going to go 11 speed if it wa easy...i don't think i can now without buying the whole groupset.

Bit of a mean trick by campagnolo though isn't it? It means that if you crash your 2014 rear chorus mech you'll have to buy new shifters....

fietsbob

LBS Here Doesn't even deal with Campag stuff at all .. (I expect you just ride locally )

Summer Cycle Tourist season when a rider needs Campag Parts

but they can still move down the road , a Call Goes Out to the shop in the Next town with a Decent Bike Shop.

And They special Order the parts with overnight shipping, so Its waiting for them 2 days down the coast.

Asked if your LBS can get 10 speed Era Campag compatible Parts?

Things like the RD just does what it is told by the Lever on the handlebars after all.




.. gonna put out a pretty penny ..




I just Use Old friction shifted Campag derailleurs, myself ..

In My Brompton, only My sturmey archer 3 speed is ' Indexed ' sort-of.

HillRider

Only if they speak the same language. Current 11-speed Shimano doesn't speak the same language as 7/8/9/10-speed did. Apparently current 11-speed Campy doesn't speak the same language as their earlier stuff did either.

fietsbob

Schadenfreude from here then .. good luck, I gotta Have a Pint

though this is the perfect day for a Low traffic ride in the countryside .

Marcus_Ti

The pull is different as is the lever arm (mechanical advantage) on the FD of 2015 onward. You can kludge a 10s FD to work, but due to the shorter lever arm (and lower mech advantage) shifting is very hard and you will want to replace with with a 2015+ FD ASAP.*

Drew Eckhardt 

No. Campangolo still sells new 2008 model year 10 speed Record/Chorus shifters and derailleurs. In the near future the worst case is paying more to replace an Athena derailleur with Chorus and no longer having matching parts. Some discontinued NOS parts are still out there - 2006 Record (silver, not skeleton) brakes were still available in 2012.

If you wait for them to stop selling 2009-2014 11 speed components and the NOS supply to dry up you might be stuck with a used derailleur much like the one you were already riding.

If you're riding Record you may need to spend more for a used vintage part to keep the name than for a new one which is lighter but has a less prestigous group name on it (which may be mechanically identical to Record apart from the label, or perhaps a few titanium/carbon bits).

Drew Eckhardt 

While the average LBS will be happy to sell you a new bike, they don't stock Shiamno components especially high-end ones. Once you're waiting for shipment it doesn't matter what you ride, and if you don't need your part this afternoon you'll spend less having it shipped from elsewhere.

As a rule I only miss riding when it's not medically possible. To make that possible I have a bunch of spares so availability doesn't matter, and I especially won't need anything before it can get here from Europe where prices are lower.

My stockpile didn't cost much in absolute terms - $120 for my NOS 2010 Veloce Ultra Shift levers included a $30 cable set and $20 hoods (at UK prices) for $70 net, and is effectively free amortized over the miles I ride.

I'll make money on anything I don't use before moving on to 12+ cogs, and may come out ahead on rare used components like 10 speed Ultrashift levers and anything marked "Record."

Does your LBS sell 3-speed Sturmey Archer parts?

rick99

Anyway ..... So I don't want to upgrade my chainset. I'm a square taper stick in the mud and I think the centaur square taper is plenty enough tech. The wavy washer thing is just bad engineering, chorus chainset is big bucks and power torque .... Well you can't get it off. What madness is that ?

So im going to keep my 10 speed chainset .
Should I buy 2014 chorus shifters, Athena rear or 2016 chorus and buy chorus rear and front mech?

Drew Eckhardt 

Chorus. You want the 3-cogs-smaller behavior to quickly arrive at the next gear shifting to the small ring, especially if you're running a compact crank. The UlltraShift mechanism is also more durable than PowerShift.

I picked up a pair of 2014 Chorus levers just in case I switch to 11 cogs for some reason, like when I moved to 9 because Campagnolo discontinued the 13-21 8 speed cassette which was my favorite.

noglider 

It is a mean trick. The manufacturers have found that it's better to be nice to people who want to buy new stuff than to be nice to those who like to hold onto their old stuff.

rick99

Can I buy and use 2015 Chorus stuff with my 10 speed chainset then (Can't find any 2014 shifters left). Apparently the 11 speed chainrings are now slightly closer together. I'd need a 11 speed fd as the front cable pull is now different, so would it work on a 10 speed chainset ok?

ultraman6970

You can use 11 speed campagnolo with any 9 - 10 or 11 speed chainsets (or cranksets), it will work just fine, in a matter of fact I have seen 11 athena working with a record C crankset that had 10 speed chainrings and worked just fine. Pretty much as long as the chain clears the teeth you are ok. That crap of... oh is too wide is just... that!

I have used 10 speed with 11 aswell, tad noisy but works. The right things to do for the ANALS here in the forums? of course not but it does work.

No idea if 2015 chorus will work with a 10 speed FD, 2014 I know that it works with any 10 speed fd because that is the set up in one of my bikes. I dont know if you noticed but all the used chorus and record 11 speed you can see at ebay have the logos faded, the 10 speed ones are not.

What I noticed from a 2015 chorus a friend installed is that the FD clicks like 3 times before going to the next chainring, like the old veloce. Is quicker to shift, but w/o testing what you want there is no way to know if a 10 speed FD will work with 2015 chorus. 2015 chorus RD is not compatible with 2014 levers just in case. Sure somebody already tried at this point. Google it.

Hope this helps.

rick99

Thanks for the reply .
I don't think a 10spd fd will work with 2015 11speed as they have changed the front shifting for 2015 11 speed.

The 10 speed chainsets work with 11 speed set ups because the chsinrings used to be spaced the same distance apart .

For 11 speed 2015 they've changed the spacing. Does this mean the 11 speed derailleur now will struggle to shift this chainset ?(I intend to use an 11 speed fd)

ultraman6970

w/o testing is hard to tell.