Rons

I posted a month ago looking for a solution to hard to mount Continental gp 5000 tires on Boyd prologue wheels. jaxgtr gave me some great advice. He recommended Pirelli tires.
I have been using the Pirelli P Zero Road with Latex tubes. They are a great substitute for Conti's. I have 1000 miles on the tires and the wear, performance and cost are right in line with the conti's.
Thanks to jaxgtr and rest of forum for the info.

Ron S

Troul 

it's a nice tire & i hope to see more good stuff come from them in the road department for wider options (32 & 34 700C)

jaxgtr

Sweet, glad it worked out for you.

jaxgtr

They have them up to 40c in TLR.

https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...-zero-race-tlr

tempocyclist

Glad to hear they are working out well for you.

I've found the Pirelli P-ZERO range (both tubed and tubeless versions) to be on par with the Conti GP4000/5000 tyres I ran for years beforehand, but slightly easier to mount on my wheelsets.

purpurite

Love my P-Zeros. I have been a Conti user since the mid 90s but these Pirellis are fantastic. And, you can mount them without tire levers. Bonus.

Silver02M5

Plus one on the P Zeros.

razorjack

how is the grip with Pirelli P Zero Road 28mm tires?
road.cc rewieved them in 2021 and grip (at least in wet) was bad.

I'm looking for training tires, but I still like to go fast on descents.
(GP5000 on my race/light wheels)

Troul 

imo, grip will change with temps. The temps under about 32°F seems to be where grip is less on dry pavement.

razorjack

I ride above 10*C now, I saw only complains (in that review) about grip in wet, but i'll ride in dry conditions mainly.

DaveSSS 

I've switched to Pirelli P-Zero race or road TLR tubeless tires because the bead stretch is minimal for use with hookless rims. I'm just starting to use the cheaper road TLR. Tire life is good. As far as grip goes, I never ride in the wet, but I climbed and descended 400,000 feet last year and regularly go over 50 mph on the routes I use in the winter and spring. I'm smart enough not to test the limits of grip.

jaxgtr

I generally ride in temps above 45F, nothing in the wet less than 70F if I can help it, but living in Florida, you will be caught in the rain. The grip in wet on the 28's and 30's have been very good in my opinion, never lost traction, but again, Florida, so it's flat, but roads are pretty good in my area. Coming down the larger bridges in the wet, I never felt unsafe.

Sy Reene

fwiw, Pirelli has the 4S versions of their tires that are specifically made to offer a bit better grip.

georges1

Interesting, are they as good as continental grand prix 4seasons ???

Troul 

that comes at a cost of resistance.

tempocyclist

Good stuff. I've found that the P-Zero Road/Race range are 99% as good as the Conti GP5000 range. Anecdotally I seem to get ever so slightly less mileage out of them than the Contis, but the difference marginal. Speed and grip are on point.

jaxgtr

I was over 3K on the set on my Domane, then I got a small sidewall cut, so I replaced them with my spare set, otherwise I probably had got maybe 4 to 4.5K

PeteHski

I liked them a lot (P-Zero Race TLR) but found they were more prone to cuts than the GP5000S TR. Maybe I was just unlucky and my sample size was small (2 tyres), but I have had better luck on the Contis.

I’ve just bought a pair of the new GP5000AS TR (all season) but haven’t tried them yet.

jaxgtr

you know what interesting with this is that I found something similar with the 28's, but the 30's I run on the Domane, I don't see the same thing, which is somewhat odd since they are using the same compounds, although my 28's have held up pretty well.

Psimet2001 

I am absolutely a diehard fan of Pirelli and primarily sell them for almost all customers in the road and now some of the gravel market. I have been with them since their first season with road tires.

I have never been a great fan of Continental. They have always ridden kind of like Trek bike. A lot of people love them but for some they ride "dead" or with no soul. I say this while now having an older Trek Boone that I spend almost all my time on.

If you dig back here you will find I was a diehard Michelin ProRace2 fan. Great tire. Then they killed it with the ProRace3. That made everyone have to convert to the Conti G4k then the 4kII then the 4kIIS. Etc. They slowly improved but still rode dead feeling. The 5k is meh. it gets the job done and performs well for a performance tire. People that ride it don't really complain about it per se. Then inevitably I end up putting Pirelli's on them (because I usually don't stock the Conti because Conti burned its bridges with all US sellers over the last 15 years or so. It's just stupid for any of us to stock them. Just buy them online and bring them to us to mount for you. Don't care.) and to a T everyone is usually shocked or impressed with how much different the tire feels and rides.

A Conti 5k is for the masses. A Pirelli is kind of for a performance connoisseur. I know many will take umbrage with my analogy but really this is splitting hairs at the highest end of performance cycling tires....that are clincher/TLR....on the road... for enthusiasts and hobby racers. So it's all said with due respect to both companies.

I have been through the 4 season Pirelli pro zero race. I still have one because my front just never really wore down. It's a harder tire that still rides well. I did find the road feel and traction at high speed like cornering to be not as ideal as I would like (some chattering that I honestly think most wouldn't notice). The regular Pro Zero Race is softer and performs like an actual race tire IMHO.

As for cold traction - This last year I started riding the Pirelli Cinturato Gravel tires (H). Ended up riding them through a couple of our heaviest snows we had this year. First one was a 3+ hour ride while it ended up snowing like 6 inches. Even with no real knobs I had amazingly surprising good traction the whole time. It was 100% how the compound hooked up in the cold. The casings feel so supple as well.

I understand and acknowledge the compounds aren't the same between the ProZero Race and the Cinturato Gravel but I can attest that Pirelli can make a compound that has performed better in cold than any of my fatbike tires ever have.

jaxgtr

I have rotated between the Cinturato H 40mm and the Cinturato Allroad in 40mm, on my Checkpoint and found I like the Allroad better where I will be mostly road\hardpack trail, held up very well so far.

tempocyclist

I'd be inclined to agree with you. In my experience with using both tyres for similar riding, the P-Zero Race TLR tyres do tend to cut up more than the Conti GP5000S TR tyres.

PeteHski

After a promising start, both my P-Zeros ended up in the bin within 500 km. Other than the major cuts that killed them, they both had several other minor visible cuts. I haven’t seen this with the GP5000S in thousands of km or with the much tougher Pirelli Cinturatos.

79pmooney

How do you like the Pirellis vs the Vittoria Corsa G+/G2.0s? The Gs have become my goto for all but my city Pasela bikes. (Tubulars, 23c - 28c so far though I have some 30c Controls as well.)