You can actually score one for Landis
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Here:
https://www.velonews.com/news/fea/12284.0.html
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After Schnazer, it was Dr. Don Catlin's turn. The former director of UCLA's Olympic analytical lab said that his overall impression of the IRMS testing done on Landis's samples left no doubt that "doping was going on. It's just inescapable."
Catlin did concede some doubt, admitting he would "report them as positive" but write a side letter to the client and explain that the sample is positive according to WADA criteria but not his own lab's standards. Catlin also said that in his opinion "a low dose of testosterone could enhance one's ability to recover from major exercise."
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https://www.velonews.com/news/fea/12284.0.html
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After Schnazer, it was Dr. Don Catlin's turn. The former director of UCLA's Olympic analytical lab said that his overall impression of the IRMS testing done on Landis's samples left no doubt that "doping was going on. It's just inescapable."
Catlin did concede some doubt, admitting he would "report them as positive" but write a side letter to the client and explain that the sample is positive according to WADA criteria but not his own lab's standards. Catlin also said that in his opinion "a low dose of testosterone could enhance one's ability to recover from major exercise."
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What is the most damaging aspect of this whole fiasco? The fact that we're still awaiting a decision about who won the 2006 Tour de France less than 60 days from the start of the 2007 Tour de France. That's unimaginably stupid, destructive to pro cycling in every possible way, and unfair to all involved on all sides. Who the HELL thinks this makes sense, and WHY wasn't this hearing conducted last FALL??? Wouldn't 3-5 months have given everybody enough time to get their ducks in a row?
If I was heading up the UCI I'd tell them 'be ready, the hearing is Dec. 1' and damn the torpedoes. This is just over the top insane.
If I was heading up the UCI I'd tell them 'be ready, the hearing is Dec. 1' and damn the torpedoes. This is just over the top insane.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
What is the most damaging aspect of this whole fiasco? The fact that we're still awaiting a decision about who won the 2006 Tour de France less than 60 days from the start of the 2007 Tour de France. That's unimaginably stupid, destructive to pro cycling in every possible way, and unfair to all involved on all sides. Who the HELL thinks this makes sense, and WHY wasn't this hearing conducted last FALL??? Wouldn't 3-5 months have given everybody enough time to get their ducks in a row?
If I was heading up the UCI I'd tell them 'be ready, the hearing is Dec. 1' and damn the torpedoes. This is just over the top insane.
If I was heading up the UCI I'd tell them 'be ready, the hearing is Dec. 1' and damn the torpedoes. This is just over the top insane.
Feb 8th, 2007
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...b07/feb08news2
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Floyd Landis has agreed not to ride the Tour de France this year, and the French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD) has agreed to delay their disciplinary hearing against him, which had been scheduled for today.
"Mr. Landis has asked the AFLD, in a letter read by his lawyer during the hearing, to have the possibility to first defend himself in front of the American disciplinary body (the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency)," the AFLD said in a statement.
"He says in this very letter that he promises not to take part in any race in France until the end of 2007, in particular in the 2007 Tour de France.
"The AFLD subsequently decided to postpone the examination of his case to a date that will be set according to the course of the procedure before the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency."
Landis said in his letter, "Let me assure you that I fully share the goal of preventing illegal doping...", while asking that the French case be postponed "In this case, and in order to avoid any misunderstanding, I agree voluntarily not to participate in any professional or amateur cycling event in France until December 31, 2007, and in particular the Tour de France 2007."
Meanwhile, French newspaper L'Equipe reported on Thursday that Landis refuses to let the American Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) carry out IRMS (detection of exogenous testosterone) tests on the remaining B samples that were taken from the rider at the Tour de France last year. Landis submitted urine samples six times during the 2006 Grand Tour, of which five came back negative for an elevated testosterone/epitestosterone ratio and were thus shelved. Now, the USADA asked Landis to approve the IRMS testing of these five B samples, which could be an important factor in the hearing in front of the Arbitration Commission currently scheduled for May 14, 2007.
"The World Anti-Doping Code allows additional analysis on B samples only [as the A samples have already been used - ed.] when there is a need for it in the procedure," said WADA legal director Olivier Niggli. Although the testosterone/epitestosterone ratios found in the A samples of the rider all were below 4 and thus considered normal, any use of exogenous testosterone could only be proved - or proved wrong - using the IRMS testing method.
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Originally Posted by KramerTC
Landis agreed to have this proceeding delayed so it would be tried by USADA here in the US rather than by the French anti-doping organization in France.
The USADA case has president as they have licensure over Landis and CAS would need to harmonize any differing decisions.
Regarding the OP, the final outcome and Landis' actual guilt are irrelevant to show the pathetic state of the anti-doping system worldwide (purview of WADA). This admission by the UCLA lab's former director shows a powerful disconnect between the most used WADA certified lab and WADA itself. This system is broke. Landis is a minor character in this clash of incompetence.
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Originally Posted by Trevor98
That's not quit true. Only the USADA/USAC have the power to sanction Landis in general, AFLD only has the power over French races in this case. Landis pushed for the French proceeding to be postponed until after the USADA hearings to allow the USADA first chance. AFLD only had a chance to hear the case because of the USADA's delay (regardless of the cause).
The USADA case has president as they have licensure over Landis and CAS would need to harmonize any differing decisions.
Regarding the OP, the final outcome and Landis' actual guilt are irrelevant to show the pathetic state of the anti-doping system worldwide (purview of WADA). This admission by the UCLA lab's former director shows a powerful disconnect between the most used WADA certified lab and WADA itself. This system is broke. Landis is a minor character in this clash of incompetence.
The USADA case has president as they have licensure over Landis and CAS would need to harmonize any differing decisions.
Regarding the OP, the final outcome and Landis' actual guilt are irrelevant to show the pathetic state of the anti-doping system worldwide (purview of WADA). This admission by the UCLA lab's former director shows a powerful disconnect between the most used WADA certified lab and WADA itself. This system is broke. Landis is a minor character in this clash of incompetence.
I'm reposting the article from the testimony of the UCLA lab's former director. I posted in post #26 in this thread:
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After Schnazer, it was Dr. Don Catlin's turn. The former director of UCLA's Olympic analytical lab said that his overall impression of the IRMS testing done on Landis's samples left no doubt that "doping was going on. It's just inescapable."
Catlin did concede some doubt, admitting he would "report them as positive" but write a side letter to the client and explain that the sample is positive according to WADA criteria but not his own lab's standards. Catlin also said that in his opinion "a low dose of testosterone could enhance one's ability to recover from major exercise."
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The UCLA lab (if its testing machine was in working order), with an observation, would have still found Landis to be doping.
Is this what you are talking about?
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Originally Posted by KramerTC
What admission and what powerful disconnect between the UCLA lab (is that the one you are referring to?) and WADA?
I'm reposting the article from the testimony of the UCLA lab's former director. I posted in post #26 in this thread:
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After Schnazer, it was Dr. Don Catlin's turn. The former director of UCLA's Olympic analytical lab said that his overall impression of the IRMS testing done on Landis's samples left no doubt that "doping was going on. It's just inescapable."
Catlin did concede some doubt, admitting he would "report them as positive" but write a side letter to the client and explain that the sample is positive according to WADA criteria but not his own lab's standards. Catlin also said that in his opinion "a low dose of testosterone could enhance one's ability to recover from major exercise."
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The UCLA lab (if its testing machine was in working order), with an observation, would have still found Landis to be doping.
Is this what you are talking about?
I'm reposting the article from the testimony of the UCLA lab's former director. I posted in post #26 in this thread:
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After Schnazer, it was Dr. Don Catlin's turn. The former director of UCLA's Olympic analytical lab said that his overall impression of the IRMS testing done on Landis's samples left no doubt that "doping was going on. It's just inescapable."
Catlin did concede some doubt, admitting he would "report them as positive" but write a side letter to the client and explain that the sample is positive according to WADA criteria but not his own lab's standards. Catlin also said that in his opinion "a low dose of testosterone could enhance one's ability to recover from major exercise."
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The UCLA lab (if its testing machine was in working order), with an observation, would have still found Landis to be doping.
Is this what you are talking about?
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
That one.
copy and paste the most important section, to me, of his testimony:
it was Dr. Don Catlin's turn. The former director of UCLA's Olympic analytical lab said that his overall impression of the IRMS testing done on Landis's samples left no doubt that "doping was going on. It's just inescapable."