Landis Hearing: Weird
05-16-07, 01:32 PM
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Landis Hearing: Weird
OK, I know Landis stuff is contentious so I'm just going to state the facts of a weird occurrence.
1. A French interpreter, chosen by USADA for their French chemists, misinterpreted a number of statements by the chemist
2. One of the arbitrators (who can speak French) had to correct the interpreter
3. Landis' lawyer finally asked for a change in intrepreter and the arbitrator agreed, so they recessed for over an hour and found one who had no chance for preparation
https://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=2871715
1. A French interpreter, chosen by USADA for their French chemists, misinterpreted a number of statements by the chemist
2. One of the arbitrators (who can speak French) had to correct the interpreter
3. Landis' lawyer finally asked for a change in intrepreter and the arbitrator agreed, so they recessed for over an hour and found one who had no chance for preparation
https://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=2871715
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Yeah, the interpreter/translator didn't know what he was doing.... Its a tough job, I'll tell ya.
Did you hear the Lemond and Merckx are going to be witnesses?
Guess who is on for the prosecution.....
Did you hear the Lemond and Merckx are going to be witnesses?
Guess who is on for the prosecution.....
05-16-07, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaireau
Yeah, the interpreter/translator didn't know what he was doing.... Its a tough job, I'll tell ya.
Did you hear the Lemond and Merckx are going to be witnesses?
Guess who is on for the prosecution.....
Did you hear the Lemond and Merckx are going to be witnesses?
Guess who is on for the prosecution.....
I'm in the middle of making up final exams for my chem class. I have no time to look around. Spill the beans!!!
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Where again are the online hearing summaries? I'd like to follow them but can't remember where... Don't have time (or bandwidth here at work) to watch the videos.
05-16-07, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
no idea. who?
Merckx for the Landis side. To let them know that tactics played a huge role in Floyd's Stage 17 win and that there is no way Floyd could have been doping because Eddy had a bet that Floyd would win that day. And because his son Axel was a teammate of Floyd during the Tour. No conflict there.
Three ring circus indeed.
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Originally Posted by ryanspeer
Where again are the online hearing summaries? I'd like to follow them but can't remember where... Don't have time (or bandwidth here at work) to watch the videos.
05-16-07, 02:43 PM
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I feel like I'm in the twilight zone
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Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
no idea. who?
I'm in the middle of making up final exams for my chem class. I have no time to look around. Spill the beans!!!
I'm in the middle of making up final exams for my chem class. I have no time to look around. Spill the beans!!!
Merckx: defense.
THat's what I heard anyway....
05-16-07, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
Merckx for the Landis side. To let them know that tactics played a huge role in Floyd's Stage 17 win and that there is no way Floyd could have been doping because Eddy had a bet that Floyd would win that day. And because his son Axel was a teammate of Floyd during the Tour. No conflict there.
05-16-07, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginny
05-16-07, 05:19 PM
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I check cyclingnews, velonews, eurosport, and, gasp.., cnnsi for sh*ts and giggles to see what, if any, they are covering on the Landis hearing. Surprisingly cnnsi has a good article on day 2.
"U.S. Anti-Doping Agency lawyer Dan Dunn asked Mongongu if she had worked on the "A" and "B" samples taken after Stage 17 of the 2006 Tour. The Landis camp had cited rules that prohibit the same lab employees from working on different samples as a reason to possibly nullify the positive test.
"I didn't perform the analysis of the 'B' sample, but I helped verify the results," said Mongongu, who also said she didn't know she was testing Landis' urine. "
https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
"U.S. Anti-Doping Agency lawyer Dan Dunn asked Mongongu if she had worked on the "A" and "B" samples taken after Stage 17 of the 2006 Tour. The Landis camp had cited rules that prohibit the same lab employees from working on different samples as a reason to possibly nullify the positive test.
"I didn't perform the analysis of the 'B' sample, but I helped verify the results," said Mongongu, who also said she didn't know she was testing Landis' urine. "
https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
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have any of you read thru this stuff?very interesting.shotty work indeed.chain of custody appears to be broken,lab techs that cant remember,usada seems to still be blocking key evidence, he's getting railroaded i say by the usada. oh and the french open has dropped the lab in favor of the montreal lab. for money reasons
lol what a joke
lol what a joke
05-16-07, 09:13 PM
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Le Fucque Moi.
Anybody need an interpreter for that?
Anybody need an interpreter for that?
05-16-07, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Le Fucque Moi.
Anybody need an interpreter for that?
Anybody need an interpreter for that?
Le duh.
(not a potshot at you patentcad, but at the doping lab and all this other nonsense)
oh wait don't you mean "toi" instead of "moi" if we are speaking about the french lab here?
05-16-07, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 'nother
This is getting Le Stupid on both sides.
05-17-07, 08:47 AM
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Interesting testimony by the french chemist:
1. The machine has broken down, by her recollection, only about 10 times over the last number of years, yet she can't remember when the last time she had to call to get it fixed (she couldn't even narrow it down to the YEAR)
2. She tested 400 samples and has testified that she didn't know that sample 95474 was Landis' until a few weeks ago, yet she testified that she remembers THAT urine sample and exactly what she did with it and the MINUTE (11:25) she handed it over to the other chemist (Despite the fact that she did exactly the same thing with 400 others).
1. The machine has broken down, by her recollection, only about 10 times over the last number of years, yet she can't remember when the last time she had to call to get it fixed (she couldn't even narrow it down to the YEAR)
2. She tested 400 samples and has testified that she didn't know that sample 95474 was Landis' until a few weeks ago, yet she testified that she remembers THAT urine sample and exactly what she did with it and the MINUTE (11:25) she handed it over to the other chemist (Despite the fact that she did exactly the same thing with 400 others).
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Originally Posted by Blaireau
Lemond: Prosecution
Merckx: defense.
THat's what I heard anyway....
Merckx: defense.
THat's what I heard anyway....
05-17-07, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaireau
Yeah, the interpreter/translator didn't know what he was doing.... Its a tough job, I'll tell ya.
Taking testimony with an interpreter can be difficult and frustrating. I hate it when you ask a complex question, get a long answer from the witness, then the interpreter and witness converse, and the interpreter says his answer is "no"
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
Interesting testimony by the french chemist:
1. The machine has broken down, by her recollection, only about 10 times over the last number of years, yet she can't remember when the last time she had to call to get it fixed (she couldn't even narrow it down to the YEAR)
2. She tested 400 samples and has testified that she didn't know that sample 95474 was Landis' until a few weeks ago, yet she testified that she remembers THAT urine sample and exactly what she did with it and the MINUTE (11:25) she handed it over to the other chemist (Despite the fact that she did exactly the same thing with 400 others).
1. The machine has broken down, by her recollection, only about 10 times over the last number of years, yet she can't remember when the last time she had to call to get it fixed (she couldn't even narrow it down to the YEAR)
2. She tested 400 samples and has testified that she didn't know that sample 95474 was Landis' until a few weeks ago, yet she testified that she remembers THAT urine sample and exactly what she did with it and the MINUTE (11:25) she handed it over to the other chemist (Despite the fact that she did exactly the same thing with 400 others).
Are the test results were available before the sample is transferred?
If the answer to both is yes, then I would remember it very clearly, as well, and would take detailed mental/written notes about what I was doing.
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
Was that test was one of only a few (or the only, which it is, to my knowledge) to come up positive?
Are the test results were available before the sample is transferred?
If the answer to both is yes, then I would remember it very clearly, as well, and would take detailed mental/written notes about what I was doing.
Are the test results were available before the sample is transferred?
If the answer to both is yes, then I would remember it very clearly, as well, and would take detailed mental/written notes about what I was doing.
It woul dhave the time and date right there.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Taking testimony with an interpreter can be difficult and frustrating. I hate it when you ask a complex question, get a long answer from the witness, then the interpreter and witness converse, and the interpreter says his answer is "no"