MSNBC: B Sample results to be released at 5:00AM EDT
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MSNBC: B Sample results to be released at 5:00AM EDT
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08-04-06, 01:12 PM
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If you search for "Floyd Landis" at news.google.com, and sort by date, all of the top hits are about Floyd waiting for the B sample results. Talk about missing the story.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
One view is that Pantani, Virenque, Millar, Simoni, Hamilton, Heras, Basso, Ullrich, Mancebo and now Landis (not to mention all the rest) are the only guilty ones, the cheaters, and all those not proved to be guilty (Armstrong, Pereiro. Sastre, Valverde, Leipheimer, Hincapie, Zabriskie, Vino, Kloden, etc.) are actually clean. I believe that view, while based on a noble premise (presume innocence until guilt is proven) blinds its adherence to the truth of what is actually going on, and so inhibits us from addressing it effectively (you can't solve a problem that you don't even acknowledge).
The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
One view is that Pantani, Virenque, Millar, Simoni, Hamilton, Heras, Basso, Ullrich, Mancebo and now Landis (not to mention all the rest) are the only guilty ones, the cheaters, and all those not proved to be guilty (Armstrong, Pereiro. Sastre, Valverde, Leipheimer, Hincapie, Zabriskie, Vino, Kloden, etc.) are actually clean. I believe that view, while based on a noble premise (presume innocence until guilt is proven) blinds its adherence to the truth of what is actually going on, and so inhibits us from addressing it effectively (you can't solve a problem that you don't even acknowledge).
The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
08-04-06, 04:49 PM
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It is 7pm EDT, and nothing on Landis's "B" sample. I even checked lequipe.fr .
08-04-06, 05:11 PM
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Dan, the results will be released SATURDAY morning. Right now it's still Friday. Well, it just turned Saturday in France, but it's only midnight there. 10 more hours. You can do it.
08-04-06, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
If Floyd is lucky, someone will spill the sample or something. Otherwise, he's toast.
08-04-06, 06:53 PM
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anyway the traces they found were of a synthetic, man made testosterone. he is guilty, and i hate him.
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I love lawyers...
But Jose Maria Buxeda, one of Landis' lawyers, said Thursday he still believes Landis will prove his innocence even if the backup sample is positive.
"He's pretty sure we will be able to prove, if this result is confirmed, that it is due to natural causes," Buxeda said.
Even Johnny Cochran would have a hard time proving that the SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE that they found in his system was due to natural causes.
"He's pretty sure we will be able to prove, if this result is confirmed, that it is due to natural causes," Buxeda said.
Even Johnny Cochran would have a hard time proving that the SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE that they found in his system was due to natural causes.
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defintely time to go chewbaca
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Dan, the results will be released SATURDAY morning. Right now it's still Friday. Well, it just turned Saturday in France, but it's only midnight there. 10 more hours. You can do it.
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
If you search for "Floyd Landis" at news.google.com, and sort by date, all of the top hits are about Floyd waiting for the B sample results. Talk about missing the story.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
08-05-06, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
If you search for "Floyd Landis" at news.google.com, and sort by date, all of the top hits are about Floyd waiting for the B sample results. Talk about missing the story.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
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The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
...
The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
or clever management by teams and riders? This would shed light on the
actual incidence of doping.
2) Does it make sense to impose a lifetime ban on riders who take prohibited
performance-enhancing drugs? The calculation might then change for a rider
considering their use.
3) At some level, the teams are aware of what their riders are doing. Team officials
who fail to exercise proper control should be held accountable. I'm not sure how
this would be done, but it needs to be looked at.
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08-05-06, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Poppaspoke
1) Is there a testing regime that would be less subject to...well, manipulation
or clever management by teams and riders? This would shed light on the
actual incidence of doping.
2) Does it make sense to impose a lifetime ban on riders who take prohibited
performance-enhancing drugs? The calculation might then change for a rider
considering their use.
3) At some level, the teams are aware of what their riders are doing. Team officials
who fail to exercise proper control should be held accountable. I'm not sure how
this would be done, but it needs to be looked at.
or clever management by teams and riders? This would shed light on the
actual incidence of doping.
2) Does it make sense to impose a lifetime ban on riders who take prohibited
performance-enhancing drugs? The calculation might then change for a rider
considering their use.
3) At some level, the teams are aware of what their riders are doing. Team officials
who fail to exercise proper control should be held accountable. I'm not sure how
this would be done, but it needs to be looked at.
2) No. The odds of getting caught are too low. You can give them the death penalty for getting caught using and they still will. That's now dedicated they are to... winning.
3) That makes more sense. I believe LeMond has suggested suspending the entire team whenever any one rider is caught.
