Brazosbynemo

I have been out of the scene for the past 10 years due to and unrelated injury. I am ready to start riding again. I have been reading all these post about new tech since I bought my bike in 2009. One piece of tech I can’t tell has changed are water bottles. Being in Texas I was hoping some new bad ass water bottles would be available that kept water cold. I have been looking at water bottles and they don’t seem to have changed. I guess I have become spoiled byYeti type cups that keep ice from melting all day. Granted they are SS and not very squeezable.

is there something out there now I missed? Something I can load up with ice and water and not be hot after an hour and a half or two hour ride when it’s hot?

urbanknight

Have you tried insulated water bottles? Polar and Camelback make them (and probably other brands as well by now). I learned that you need to close the valve to make them last a decent length of time, and even they succumb to ambient temperatures eventually, but generally keep things reasonably cold for a couple of hours.

alcjphil

The problem with insulating a bottle is that it reduces the volume of water available. I would rather have a full bottle of air temperature water than a much smaller amount of cooler water(which will warm up eventually anyway)

chaadster

Elite make the double-wall, vacuum insulated, stainless steel Deboyo Race bottle. I’ve never tested it’s capability to keep cold, but it keeps tea hot for a couple of hours on my winter rides.

indyfabz

CamelBak Podium is insulated and holds 25 oz. Fits easily in my cages. Sometimes I’ll freeze them overnight.

jon c. 

It never occurred to me that closing the valve could make a difference. I'll have to try that.

Mojo31

My experience is that it does not make a material difference with the Camelback Podium bottles.

_ForceD_

Have you ever tried the process of evaporation for keeping the water bottle contents cool? Or maybe I should say ‘no hot’ instead of cool. Generally the temp of my hydration on the bike doesn’t bother me that much. Ambient temp is acceptable for me. But when I lived in Florida, the bottle contents would get downright hot with the heat that rises from the pavement down there. My simple solution was to put the bottle in a cloth bag (I actually used a thick sock). Thick fabric holds more water. Tie it around the neck of the bottle, then cut off the excess. Saturate the bag/sock before you ride (and re-saturate mid-ride if necessary). The evaporation process keeps the contents from getting hot…and even maybe cool. — Dan

urbanknight

That’s actually a good idea. Ice chests are supposed to be filled with ice many hours before packing them and then replenished when you do fill them so that the interior is already cold and doesn’t absorb the warmth from the food and ice as quickly. I’m going to try that next time myself.

veganbikes

If you are freezing bottles don't fill them all the way to the top.

In terms of bottles Camelbak Podium Chill or Ice bottles are the way to go and the only bottle I will use and I get a lot of free bottles and I happily continue purchasing Camelbaks granted they last so long that I don't buy them often but I lost one in the past year or so which was very sad as it had the old mud guard cap I loved so well.

I generally leave my bottles in the fridge overnight full of water and then add ice in the morning. (I typically pour off and drink the excess water) I get that room temp or warm water absorbs better but I like cool water. Other drinks (that would normally be chilled) I am fine with at room temp though which is odd.

mstateglfr 

Learn to drink water that is 70 degrees. Side benefit- it hydrates faster, according to some old wives I spoke with once.

indyfabz

Just remember to leave a little extra room because, as you probably know, water expands when it freezes.

eduskator

Only plus side I see from drinking cool / cold water during working is to help reduce body temp. Otherwise, room temperature is just fine.

Insulated water bottles do help, but in my opinion it's not worth the volume you lose (3-4oz?). Full disclaimer, I don't live down south nor in a place that gets extremely hot in summer. On long rides, the water in my 2nd bottle will get warm, but not hot to a point where it's unpleasant.

79pmooney

+1 And - warm water doesn't quench your thirst so you have to drink more. I find a slug of cold water hits the spot too well and I don't drink enough if its really hot. But warm? I can down half a water bottle in one gulp and be ready for the upcoming hill.

Yes, there is the benefit of physical cooling in very hot weather. I find that hydration is, for me, more important.

Mojo31

That works if it is not 95 - 105 degrees ambient. In our summers, water will not stay at 70F in a bottle in the summer, and even if starting with a half-frozen bottle it will get into the 80s during a hot ride within a couple of hours in a lot of cases. To combat that, I only use white or reflective insulated bottles from May till October.

eduskator

105f ambiant? My spa temp is lower than that. Anything over 90f is a big no-no for me unless it's at the end of a ride.

It makes me wonder what's the ''least bad'' riding condition between a humid 90f or a dry 100f?

Mojo31

Balmy summer days last year, starting early in the morning -




There are times our pool water is 90F.

Zaskar

I live in Atlanta. It gets hot. I don't like/use insulated bottles. My workarounds are:

• Start earlier in the morning
• Put some ice in one of the bottles, freeze half/part of the other bottle
• Ride faster (more cooling effect, you're out of the heat sooner)
• HTFU
• ;-)

NoWhammies

CamelBak Podium is my go-to. Can't recommend them enough,.

Sy Reene

Couple new innovations that are hard to avoid but are really indispensable. Hydraulic lines that bring water up to the spout without squeezing required. No need to tilt the bottle at all in order to drink. Powering options pluses and minuses for these are up for debate. Some manufacturers are going the USB rechargeable route, some opted for replaceable coin cell batteries that last longer but are disposable. Ymmv.

Brazosbynemo

I have Polar insulated bottles from back in the day (2009). They work better than a regular bottle. Just surprised the goalpost hasn’t really moved on water bottles in the past 10-12 years. I like ice water. Not saying I won’t drink warm or hot water if that’s all I have. I just like cold water. With the Yeti cup revolution that has occurred in the past 10 years I just kind of figured cycling water bottles would have also improved. I get it though yeti cups are steel and not squeezable plastic. Looks like I need to invent something and get rich.

JohnDThompson 

We have a substantial Hmong (Viet-Nam/Laos) refugee population here. Caring for the Hmong elders in the hospital, we found they have an aversion to ice water, preferring ambient temperature or warmer water. The preference for cold liquids appears to be a cultural, rather than physiological thing.

chaadster

Dude, see post #4. It already exists, and from one of the premier hydration hardware specialists.

Here…I’ll make it even easier for you and include the direct link: https://www.elite-it.com/en/products...al/deboyo-race

urbanknight

Drinking cold water helps you burn fat (very slightly) faster, so there's that I guess. I do, however, have a harder time drinking enough when the water gets too warm to enjoy at all. Then I have to force myself to take any drinks.

Agreed. When it's 100 degrees outside, the water gets quite warm, to the point it feels like drinking a cup of hot tea. Makes me wonder if clear bottles are worse with the "greenhouse" effect, or black bottles attracting the sun, or whatever scientific concepts I don't understand properly.

urbanknight

Depends on how you look at it. Humid 90 makes you feel miserable but also drink a lot. Dry 100 doesn't feel so bad, so you might not drink enough.

I did a race in Bisbee AZ one August where we'd finish the stages in 105+ degree heat, but it was "dry". I didn't do well in that race, but 3 of the people I beat were simply because they had to withdraw due to dehydration.