rydabent

Yes cars really went down hill when they came out with front wheel drive. Having the front wheels hold up most of the weight, steer, brake, and drive the car forward is not really very bright. Then they put in 4 cylinder engines that really belong on ag equipment.

tomato coupe

I think this is what psychologists call "projection".

rydabent

There again, bikes with disc brakes have rims that are lighter, stronger, and more aero, therefore faster. Another fudge factor the UCI over looks. So their big point of man not the machine, is what they are trying to protect is out the window.

Then if you want to dig for an underlying theme to this thread, it is money corrupts.

phughes

GamblerGORD53

So this settles the BIKE vs rider argument. LOL.
95% of aero is the PELOTON. LOL.

genejockey 

I imagine it's a lot cheaper for teams to just have ONE model of TT bike which works in all conditions, since the race doesn't wait for nice weather.

PeteHski

The underlying theme of this thread is that you are obviously trolling

PeteHski

There would be no point in having 2 brake specs unless there was a clear performance advantage. For a couple of years in the World Tour we saw a few climbing bikes remaining with rim brakes, notably Pog’s Colnago, where he alternated with the disc version for specific stages to save a few grams in the big mountains. But that wouldn’t matter on a TT bike. Now that the aero is optimised around disc brakes and they actually brake better, there is no reason to make a rim brake version.

smd4

Do you ever contribute anything positive to this forum, or do you only post comments on other members?

Asking for a friend.

PeteHski

More projecting 😂

Shadco 

So start a petition at change.org

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smd4

What you lack in originality, you make up for in...

I got nothing.

rydabent

And I consider your post a personal attack, and adds nothing to the title of the thread. It also attacks freedom of speech. This being an open forum means that all view points should be posted, not everyone, and certainly me does not adhere to a very narrow view point of cycling.

PeteHski

Limiting records to round tubed bikes is about as narrow a viewpoint as you can get. They changed the hour record rules about a decade ago to allow aero bikes because there was little interest from modem day riders and teams in using 70s bikes. So they drew a line under it and started afresh allowing more relevant modern equipment. They basically created a new bike formula to keep it relevant.

rydabent

From what you post here basically proves that the UCI do not maintain rules of purity ----------its the man and not the machine. Do not honor old records.

tomato coupe

Usually, when someone espouses "maintaining purity", they turn out to be a very, very bad person.

rydabent

Actually the first full CF bike used in the Tour was about 1986, it was the Kestrel.

rydabent

Are you insinuating I am a bad person? How so?

PeteHski

It’s just a different machine. Let’s imagine UCI records had started using Penny Farthings. Would that mean that every subsequent record for the next 1000 years had to be set using a Penny Farthing?

McFlyRides

Yes, “win on Sunday, sell on Monday.” The reason company X puts pros on bike X is so that company X can sell more bikes.

Yep, the racing and industry big wigs decided the diamond frame was a “real” bike and left out recumbents.

The temptation is to optimize one parameter at the expense of all others. Yes, we could optimize the sanctity of past records by freezing bicycle innovation, or we could allow fairings and optimize current speeds. The rule makers are trying to find a workable solution with many different parameters. There’s much more to competition than keeping a level playing field for the past record holders. Everyone knows that the old timers set their records on worse equipment, with less knowledge of training, with less focus on one particular record. It’s a common pastime to wonder what such and so would have done if they competed today.

Or how about Cavendish tying Mercx for the tour win record? Since every competitor has the same access to tech, the records should be comparable, right? But mercx won all kinds of stages, kicked butt all year, and Cav is a sprint specialist. The riders are very different, and their 34 wins are very different, but that’s the record they share.

hazetguy 

see this thread---> https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...55253-uci.html

rydabent

It would be nice if you censored all the usual suspects that post personal attacks and snide remarks against me. You know, the ones that hate the kind of cycling I do.

rydabent

It would be nice if you censored all the usual suspects that post personal attacks and snide remarks against me. You know, the ones that hate the kind of cycling I do.

tomato coupe

No one hates the kind of cycling you do -- everyone is tired of your proselytizing about it.

rydabent

Actually there are many people in the world that hate the truth. Golly im sorry if I hurt your widdle feelings.