Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Addiction 2022.4

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Addiction 2022.4

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-10-22, 07:43 AM
  #3676  
Mojo31
-------
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times in 3,506 Posts
Ncd!
Mojo31 is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 08:00 AM
  #3677  
seedsbelize2
Senior Member
 
seedsbelize2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,390

Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3270 Post(s)
Liked 1,894 Times in 1,193 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
I noticed the Saturn was running “cold” last night. The engine temp barely moved from “C.” The heater worked fine and the engine seemed to be performing normally.

My best guess is that the thermostat is stuck in the open position, but I am a lazy mechanic. Comments?
seedsbelize2 is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 08:03 AM
  #3678  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times in 4,202 Posts
Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
If it's criterium racing, I'd go for light weight because they spin up faster. Means a lot coming out of corners.
For tight cornered crits, I will concede that. The local crits around here are on an oval office park course that really don't have significant tight corners, so for that I would still pick aero over weight, although of course the differences are so modest I don't know if it will matter much.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 08:05 AM
  #3679  
seedsbelize2
Senior Member
 
seedsbelize2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,390

Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3270 Post(s)
Liked 1,894 Times in 1,193 Posts
Daily Quordle 320
🟥7️⃣
9️⃣8️⃣
quordle.com
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ ⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨
⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜ 🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜ ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟩
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩
⬜⬜🟩⬜⬜ ⬜🟩⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜🟩⬜⬜ ⬜🟩⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬜⬜🟩⬜⬜ ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛

⬜🟨🟨⬜⬜ ⬜🟨⬜🟨⬜
🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜ 🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟨🟩🟨🟨⬜ ⬜⬜⬜🟩🟩
⬜🟩⬜⬜⬜ 🟩⬜🟨⬜🟩
⬜🟩🟩🟨🟩 🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜
🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩 ⬜🟨⬜⬜🟨
⬜🟩⬜⬜⬜ 🟨⬜🟨⬜🟩
⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
Nine guesses netted one letter
seedsbelize2 is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 08:05 AM
  #3680  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times in 4,202 Posts
Originally Posted by Mojo31
Ncd!
One More Year!
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 08:32 AM
  #3681  
seedsbelize2
Senior Member
 
seedsbelize2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,390

Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3270 Post(s)
Liked 1,894 Times in 1,193 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
One More Year!
wut
seedsbelize2 is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 08:51 AM
  #3682  
big john
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 25,430
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8366 Post(s)
Liked 9,217 Times in 4,541 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
I noticed the Saturn was running “cold” last night. The engine temp barely moved from “C.” The heater worked fine and the engine seemed to be performing normally.

My best guess is that the thermostat is stuck in the open position, but I am a lazy mechanic. Comments?
Could be stuck open, it's a common problem on later GM cars but will turn on the check engine light after about 1996.

Is the gauge staying on the peg or is it just running colder than normal? Make sure the radiator is full, let it warm up and see if the radiator is hot. If you have an infra-red thermometer you can tell if the 'stat is working. Could also be a gauge or sensor problem. I think the early 90s Saturn has the sensor which gets corroded. If the gauge is stuck on the cold peg have someone watch the gauge while you wiggle the connector and tap on the sensor with a metal tool. It doesn't have to be running to do this, just warmed up with key on.

If the 'stat is stuck open but you are still getting cabin heat you can live with it. My Trailblazer was doing that thing where it warms up but then starts getting colder because the 'stat closes overnight but then sticks open after it warms up and I could watch the gauge drop. I finally put a new thermostat in when I retired, (it's a pain on that car, have to take the wheel off and go through the inner fender), and it was fine for 3 years. Now it's doing it again.

I know I get long-winded on these car posts but it's mostly me thinking "out loud". I am happy to try to help with car stuff when it's in my field.
big john is offline  
Likes For big john:
Old 12-10-22, 09:00 AM
  #3683  
seedsbelize2
Senior Member
 
seedsbelize2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,390

Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3270 Post(s)
Liked 1,894 Times in 1,193 Posts
Getting dressed to ride. 75°. Talking myself out of a base layer, though it will be cold to start
seedsbelize2 is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 09:01 AM
  #3684  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times in 4,202 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize2
wut
My plan is to keep the Saturn for one more year and get a new car at the end of next year.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 09:04 AM
  #3685  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times in 4,202 Posts
Originally Posted by big john
Could be stuck open, it's a common problem on later GM cars but will turn on the check engine light after about 1996.

Is the gauge staying on the peg or is it just running colder than normal? Make sure the radiator is full, let it warm up and see if the radiator is hot. If you have an infra-red thermometer you can tell if the 'stat is working. Could also be a gauge or sensor problem. I think the early 90s Saturn has the sensor which gets corroded. If the gauge is stuck on the cold peg have someone watch the gauge while you wiggle the connector and tap on the sensor with a metal tool. It doesn't have to be running to do this, just warmed up with key on.

If the 'stat is stuck open but you are still getting cabin heat you can live with it. My Trailblazer was doing that thing where it warms up but then starts getting colder because the 'stat closes overnight but then sticks open after it warms up and I could watch the gauge drop. I finally put a new thermostat in when I retired, (it's a pain on that car, have to take the wheel off and go through the inner fender), and it was fine for 3 years. Now it's doing it again.

I know I get long-winded on these car posts but it's mostly me thinking "out loud". I am happy to try to help with car stuff when it's in my field.
The gauge moves from "off" below C to just on/above C (maybe 1/16 from C to H) after about 5 minutes. Usually it goes to 3/8. I will check radiator and coolant status later today or tomorrow.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Likes For datlas:
Old 12-10-22, 10:00 AM
  #3686  
BillyD
Administrator
Thread Starter
 
BillyD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posts: 33,058

Bikes: Merlin Cyrene '04; Bridgestone RB-1 '92

Mentioned: 326 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12002 Post(s)
Liked 6,741 Times in 3,521 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
I noticed the Saturn was running “cold” last night. The engine temp barely moved from “C.” The heater worked fine and the engine seemed to be performing normally.

My best guess is that the thermostat is stuck in the open position, but I am a lazy mechanic. Comments?
I am so glad my commuting to work days are over, back when I clocked 800 miles/week and my car was constantly in that "what's next" state of existence for 21 years. If not for my uncle Pete the mechanic, who always gave me the family discounted price for car work, I could have never made it through all the commuting repairs . . . brake pads, rotors, alternators, water pumps, radiators, two engine replacements. A regular mechanic would have cost a fortune. Ol' Pete was truly heaven sent.
__________________
See, this is why we can't have nice things. - - smarkinson
Where else but the internet can a bunch of cyclists go and be the tough guy? - - jdon
BillyD is offline  
Likes For BillyD:
Old 12-10-22, 10:08 AM
  #3687  
t2p
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: USA - Southwest PA
Posts: 3,185

Bikes: Cannondale - Gary Fisher - Giant - Litespeed - Schwinn Paramount - Schwinn (lugged steel) - Trek OCLV

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1439 Post(s)
Liked 1,989 Times in 1,132 Posts
in addition to reduced cabin/interior heat - running with an open thermostat can also lead to other issues ... long term ...

engine / motor oil does not get up to proper operating temp during short drives ...

unburnt fuel / etc (created during 'rich' start-up) does not get 'consumed' (for lack of better terminology) ... motor oil can then can become more contaminated ... lubrication degraded ... sludge can form ...

etc etc etc
t2p is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 10:20 AM
  #3688  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 18,167

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10522 Post(s)
Liked 12,090 Times in 6,191 Posts
So, this appeared in my email this morning....


Did they think I didn't notice when the nice young pharmacist lady jabbed me? Did they think I woke up and said, "What the ****? Why do my arms hurt?"
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Old 12-10-22, 10:24 AM
  #3689  
t2p
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: USA - Southwest PA
Posts: 3,185

Bikes: Cannondale - Gary Fisher - Giant - Litespeed - Schwinn Paramount - Schwinn (lugged steel) - Trek OCLV

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1439 Post(s)
Liked 1,989 Times in 1,132 Posts

Originally Posted by datlas
I believe it. My daughter runs the choir and band, they were fine. The orchestra (strings only) are run by another teacher, and they were kinda screechy. But still cute!
I miss those days ... plucking and screechy lol
t2p is offline  
Likes For t2p:
Old 12-10-22, 12:05 PM
  #3690  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 18,167

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10522 Post(s)
Liked 12,090 Times in 6,191 Posts
24hrs post vax and still feeling fine. Hopefully still fine tomorrow, though it's possible my ride will get rained out. There's even talk of thunderstorms. But the tires on my bike are rubber, so I should be fine, right?
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 12-10-22, 12:19 PM
  #3691  
seedsbelize2
Senior Member
 
seedsbelize2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,390

Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3270 Post(s)
Liked 1,894 Times in 1,193 Posts
A base layer would have been a bad idea, though it's on the chilly side when not working hard. It was the Novara jersey today; not nearly as comfy as the gore wear, though a better fit.
seedsbelize2 is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 01:54 PM
  #3692  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 39,461
Mentioned: 211 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18506 Post(s)
Liked 15,820 Times in 7,429 Posts
Maybe 4 or 5 years old. Gotta love that tree.


indyfabz is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 02:05 PM
  #3693  
Bah Humbug
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by indyfabz
Maybe 4 or 5 years old. Gotta love that tree.
Aluminum Christmas tree!

Good thing it wasn't crabon and couldn't asp lode from those lights.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Likes For Bah Humbug:
Old 12-10-22, 02:35 PM
  #3694  
bampilot06
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: 757
Posts: 11,282

Bikes: Madone, Emonda, 5500, Ritchey Breakaway

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10254 Post(s)
Liked 5,217 Times in 2,237 Posts
Originally Posted by Mojo31
Ncd!

New Car Day?
bampilot06 is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 03:11 PM
  #3695  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times in 4,202 Posts
I went for a short ride after office hours. I rode by the cafe where some of my friends stop after the group ride and noticed the S Works atop the Porsche and made it a photo op for the Habanero:


__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Likes For datlas:
Old 12-10-22, 03:19 PM
  #3696  
big john
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 25,430
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8366 Post(s)
Liked 9,217 Times in 4,541 Posts
Originally Posted by BillyD
I am so glad my commuting to work days are over, back when I clocked 800 miles/week and my car was constantly in that "what's next" state of existence for 21 years. If not for my uncle Pete the mechanic, who always gave me the family discounted price for car work, I could have never made it through all the commuting repairs . . . brake pads, rotors, alternators, water pumps, radiators, two engine replacements. A regular mechanic would have cost a fortune. Ol' Pete was truly heaven sent.
When my ex and I were putting 60K between our cars I was doing all the work they needed and it's still expensive. Besides gasoline you have to buy more tires, oil, filters, and other maintenance items. I don't know how people do it.
big john is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 04:02 PM
  #3697  
Mojo31
-------
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times in 3,506 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
I went for a short ride after office hours. I rode by the cafe where some of my friends stop after the group ride and noticed the S Works atop the Porsche and made it a photo op for the Habanero:


Your friend is much more laid back than I am. Lean your bike on my car, and that would end a friendship. Lol.

My friends know that about me.
Mojo31 is offline  
Likes For Mojo31:
Old 12-10-22, 04:14 PM
  #3698  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times in 4,202 Posts
Originally Posted by Mojo31
Your friend is much more laid back than I am. Lean your bike on my car, and that would end a friendship. Lol.

My friends know that about me.
I was very careful. Plus, my friend is ok with me poking fun at his car. I joke that he cannot afford a Saturn.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 04:16 PM
  #3699  
thin_concrete
Achtung!
 
thin_concrete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: New England
Posts: 1,674

Bikes: 60.1, Marvel

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 518 Post(s)
Liked 272 Times in 162 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
I went for a short ride after office hours. I rode by the cafe where some of my friends stop after the group ride and noticed the S Works atop the Porsche and made it a photo op for the Habanero:


I wonder what my C4S would look like with a bike on top of it. Not enough to actually try it though I do have the cross bars boxed away somewhere. My wife thinks we should take it skiing but doesn’t understand that Pilot Sport Cups are not snow friendly tires. Not to mention a car seat won’t fit in the back.
thin_concrete is offline  
Old 12-10-22, 04:30 PM
  #3700  
Mojo31
-------
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times in 3,506 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
I was very careful. Plus, my friend is ok with me poking fun at his car. I joke that he cannot afford a Saturn.
I'm good with leaning a bike tire against the Jeep wheels. Just not the fancy cars.
Mojo31 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.