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Old 06-03-21, 10:16 AM
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Cross Check

Looks like Surly finally got some frames flowing to Europe again after being out of stock for the last eight or so months so I ordered a frame a fixings this morning​​​​​. Are there any gotchaís or Surlyismís I need to worry about before Monday?
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Are there any gotchaís or Surlyismís I need to worry about before Monday?
Dunno what that means or what happens on Monday.
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Dunno what that means or what happens on Monday.
the frame will be here Monday and is there anything special I need to look out for?
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The rear spacing is 132mm and I've found that I really have to clamp down the rear skewer when I'm running road (130mm) wheels.
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Don't cut the steerer tube until you've ridden the bike a lot with various spacers and stems; Cross Check head tubes are notoriously short.
You might want to order a Hurdy Gurdy tensioner to keep the rear wheel from pulling forward under load.
Decals are on top of the paint, so you can scrape any/all of them off if you want a cleaner look.

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Old 06-03-21, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz View Post
The rear spacing is 132mm and I've found that I really have to clamp down the rear skewer when I'm running road (130mm) wheels.
Itís getting a full 10 speed XT group to include the hubs which are 135.

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Don't cut the steerer tube until you've ridden the bike a lot with various spacers and stems; Cross Check head tubes are notoriously short.
You might want to order a Hurdy Gurdy tensioner to keep the rear wheel from pulling forward under load.
Decals are on top of the paint, so you can scrape any/all of them off if you want a cleaner look.
Thanks, I didnít realize slippage was a problem until I googled it Iíve never had that issue before but I just ordered a pair. I donít plan on cutting the steerer unless it looks bad uncut Iím going to use my redshift kitchen sink bars and I want the tops level with the saddle because itís easier to breathe in the winter with a more upright position.
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Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
didn’t realize slippage was a problem until I googled it I’ve never had that issue before but I just ordered a pair.
You really only need one for the drive side.

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I don’t plan on cutting the steerer unless it looks bad uncut I’m going to use my redshift kitchen sink bars and I want the tops level with the saddle because it’s easier to breathe in the winter with a more upright position.
I like my bars level with the saddle, too. The rise on the Kitchen Sink bars will be helpful, but you'll still want room for a stack of spacers. I think I ran 2" or so under the stem on my Cross Check. You can probably lop a few inches off the fork steerer to make it rideable, but err on the side of caution when you do.

Oh, and you'll want to get a couple of those things that cover the downtube shifter bosses, and brake cable guides front and rear if you're using cantilevers.



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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
You really only need one for the drive side.



I like my bars level with the saddle, too. The rise on the Kitchen Sink bars will be helpful, but you'll still want room for a stack of spacers. I think I ran 2" or so under the stem on my Cross Check. You can probably lop a few inches off the fork steerer to make it rideable, but err on the side of caution when you do.

Oh, and you'll want to get a couple of those things that cover the downtube shifter bosses, and brake cable guides front and rear if you're using cantilevers.


I ordered the down tube cable stops in the initial order I plan on running a set of XT V brakes with salmons like I do on my Bruce Gordon.


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beware the toe overlap. one of the reasons i sold my cross check.
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oh, it's not that bad. i mean, not unlike any other bike frame with the same average front end geometry. it's there, of course. i got used to it (when i had one) and learned how to avoid it. there again, i only ran 40mm tires at the largest
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
Don't cut the steerer tube until you've ridden the bike a lot with various spacers and stems; Cross Check head tubes are notoriously short.
You might want to order a Hurdy Gurdy tensioner to keep the rear wheel from pulling forward under load.
Decals are on top of the paint, so you can scrape any/all of them off if you want a cleaner look.
right!! like two centimeters too short, at least. plus the high bottom bracket. i swear those things were designed by people with short legs and long torsos
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right!! like two centimeters too short, at least. plus the high bottom bracket. i swear those things were designed by people with short legs and long torsos
That would be me
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Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
That would be me
it oughta be a great fit, then!! i liked mine...like a lot. i just couldn't get it to fit right and sold it. (long legs, short torso) needed the money for something else, anyway
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I got it done Sunday night and have commuted on it all week. IMHO itís worth twice the price
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I got it done Sunday night and have commuted on it all week. IMHO it’s worth twice the price
Congrats! It looks GREAT, and will likely serve you well for many, many years! Cheers!
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Most excellent Chris, I have a 56 cm and found that with my weight, 220lbs, and a rear pannier load the handling was not at all to my taste. Rear end kind of whipped around when out of the saddle. It’s a sturdy general use Cross/road bike with a slightly high bb and not a touring specific bike designed to tolerate a heavy rear load bias. But with front panniers on low riders or top mounted rack it’s great. I eventually went with a small Nitto front rack and narrow rear rack. Were I to go for max carrying I’d use low riders, Revelate medium or small frame bag that occupies area 3-4” under top tube and rear rack with ten lb load on top and no rear panniers. Those tires look plush.
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Most excellent Chris, I have a 56 cm and found that with my weight, 220lbs, and a rear pannier load the handling was not at all to my taste. Rear end kind of whipped around when out of the saddle. Itís a sturdy general use Cross/road bike with a slightly high bb and not a touring specific bike designed to tolerate a heavy rear load bias. But with front panniers on low riders or top mounted rack itís great. I eventually went with a small Nitto front rack and narrow rear rack. Were I to go for max carrying Iíd use low riders, Revelate medium or small frame bag that occupies area 3-4Ē under top tube and rear rack with ten lb load on top and no rear panniers. Those tires look plush.
I took it grocery shopping on Tuesday and noticed the same, it just doesnít like weight all that much. I put it together to be a commuter and with clothes, lunch, a computer, and mail itís fine which is what I need 80% of the time. The days when I plan to go grocery shopping Iíll just take the Rock Ďn Road since Iíve yet to find a weight thatíll make it flex.

I have a Blackburn local basket Iím considering putting on the front which is why a wrapped the wires around the fork, if I put the basket on Iíll see how it holds the weight on front.
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This is where we ended up:

- 2021 Cross Check 58cm

- Bethoud Aubisque

- Redshift Kitchen Sink 52cm

- Brooks brown bar tape

- Paul Tall and Handsome 27.2

- Paul Boxcar stem 110mm w/red face plate

- SRAM Rival 1 shifters

- Surly seat post clamp

- Wheelman spacers

- Cinq5 Plus

- Chris King Sotto Voce

- Paul Motolite w/red spring adjuster nut

- King Iris cages

- Tubus Vega rear rack

- Tubus Tara front

- Busch and MŁller IQ-XS front light

- Curana C-Lite fenders w/integrated Busch & MŁller tail light

- SRAM Rival 1 crankset w/ red Wolftooth chainring bolts

- Chris King bottom bracket

- SON wide body laced to a DT TK 540 w/ DT comp spokes and brass nipples

- Velo Orange locking skewer

- Chris King R45 laced to a DT TK 540 w/ DT comp spokes and brass nipples

- Velo Orange locking skewer

- SRAM Rival 1 w/ red KCNC jockey wheels

- SRAM 11-42 cassette in black

- 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires



—Rest—

Ortlieb Ultimate six classic 5L handlebar bag

Ortlieb Sport-Packer Classic panniers front and rear

Ortlieb Micro Two seat bag

Jagwire cables and casing

I finally can't think of a single thing I'd change which is probably fortunate since I have a Karate Monkey that need's built, and I'm about to strip the Bruce Gordon and drop those parts on another Cross Check frame.

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Looking good! Have you considered a different front rack so the panniers could be mounted there?
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Looking good! Have you considered a different front rack so the panniers could be mounted there?
Panniers mount great to the front rack, if Iím going to put any real weight on the bike it goes on the front.
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
Don't cut the steerer tube until you've ridden the bike a lot with various spacers and stems; Cross Check head tubes are notoriously short.
You might want to order a Hurdy Gurdy tensioner to keep the rear wheel from pulling forward under load.
Decals are on top of the paint, so you can scrape any/all of them off if you want a cleaner look.
This right here. Hopefully your steerer doesn't come pre-cut (I assume that's only on full builds, right?). They can be "hard to fit", but I love mine even though I keep messing with the fit, years down the road. And I recently put a Hurdy Gurdy on my ss 'Check--an excellent little gizmo--makes tensioning super easy.

EDIT: glad you kept the steerer long! I wish I could find a Cuba Libre brown CC fork, uncut, for mine--I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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I got it done Sunday night and have commuted on it all week. IMHO itís worth twice the price
Excellent build! Lookin' good!
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Panniers mount great to the front rack, if I’m going to put any real weight on the bike it goes on the front.
Awesome! Just going from the panniers I own, I didn't see how they'd mount to a front rack like yours.
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