Fabric casing showing on blackwall tubulars is this normal?
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Fabric casing showing on blackwall tubulars is this normal?
I imagined black tires when i bought these Vittoria Rally tubular tires. I didnt want the gumwall.or any kind of whitewall.
So to pre stretch them i mounted these tires on my wheels without glue and inflated to 90psi.
The fabric 'casing' or 'base tape' is showing and it makes it look like a whitewall tire.
What is the difference between base tape and the casing?
Are these tires (23s) too wide for these wheels? Is this just the way it is? What must i do to have actual all black sidewall tubulars?
Thanks.
So to pre stretch them i mounted these tires on my wheels without glue and inflated to 90psi.
The fabric 'casing' or 'base tape' is showing and it makes it look like a whitewall tire.
What is the difference between base tape and the casing?
Are these tires (23s) too wide for these wheels? Is this just the way it is? What must i do to have actual all black sidewall tubulars?
Thanks.
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A black marking pen might do the trick.
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The base tape covers the join.
Nope.
Pretty much.
See post #2.
There may be some all black tubular tyres, you can do the research but the Maxxis Velocita MS are all black.
Nope.
Pretty much.
See post #2.
There may be some all black tubular tyres, you can do the research but the Maxxis Velocita MS are all black.
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the casing or the base tape? The black rubber tread. The black fabric is the casing, and the white fabric is the base tape? Is that correct?
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Look fine to me... But then again, I am trying to remember using Vitoria Tubulars 50 years ago. With a grain of salt and a pinch over the shoulder these look fine...
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Correct. Vittoria is using nice, wide, sturdy, even base tape these days.
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The base tape is a layer of cloth between the stitching that closes the casing and the rim. The casing is the material that is stitched around the inner tube, and to which the tread is applied. The base tape is glued to the casing when the tire is manufactured (or repaired), then glued to the rim when the tire is installed.
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The base tape is a layer of cloth between the stitching that closes the casing and the rim. The casing is the material that is stitched around the inner tube, and to which the tread is applied. The base tape is glued to the casing when the tire is manufactured (or repaired), then glued to the rim when the tire is installed.
Heres how they are advertised. I mean thats not even a tubular rim is it? Look how deep the wheels are. Mine are really shallow. I can see how glue would secure the tires on those wheels. Its harder to trust glue on my shallow wheels.
Heres how they actually are in real life on my shallow Arayas
My shallow Arayas.
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Concur and its like a dork wearing a fine tailored suit and half laced ultra white atheletic shoes.
Base tape is all cotton.
Vittoria better tubulars CX in black sidewall are the same. The German made Continental Sprint tubular in black sidewall is not as noticeable for that width.
Its been awhile since having, but think the Tufo tubular in black has a dark tone base tape.
I'm not stating what you could do to change the appearance, though if it really bothers perhaps complain directly to Vittoria and include pics.
Base tape is all cotton.
Vittoria better tubulars CX in black sidewall are the same. The German made Continental Sprint tubular in black sidewall is not as noticeable for that width.
Its been awhile since having, but think the Tufo tubular in black has a dark tone base tape.
I'm not stating what you could do to change the appearance, though if it really bothers perhaps complain directly to Vittoria and include pics.
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Ok... So as I remember Vitoria tubulars were Black and White. The white being the Base Tape. Then when your White Base Tape was getting kinda cruddy, muddy, worn, and ugly, it was time to replace um if ya wanted a nice looking pair of shoes for your baby.
Baby needs a new pair of shoes... Yep... Black and White is just fine!
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FWIW, those of us who rode tubulars back when they were the only choice for high-performance bikes imprinted on light-colored sidewalls. For decades, if you saw a bicycle with all-black tires, you knew it was from Sears, Montgomery Wards, Western Auto, etc.---the cheapest of the cheap. I still involuntarily wince at the sight of an otherwise high-end-looking bike with all-black tires.
Irrelevant, of course, except that it might explain why it seems that all-black tubulars are uncommon: in the U.S., anyway, most of the comparatively few cyclists riding tubulars these days are probably in their 50's or older and want their bikes to look the way they did when they were new.
Irrelevant, of course, except that it might explain why it seems that all-black tubulars are uncommon: in the U.S., anyway, most of the comparatively few cyclists riding tubulars these days are probably in their 50's or older and want their bikes to look the way they did when they were new.
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Do you think there's more surface area for the glue to adhere to if the rims are the same width, but deeper?
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Modern tubular rims are wider than vintage tubular rims. The same is generally true for modern tubular tires. When your Nashbar was sold, it probably had 19-20mm wide tires and the base tape is not as wide.
I have 25mm skin-wall Rallys mounted on Roval wheels (which I assume are from the early '90s). The Roval rims are a bit wider (maybe 2-3mm) than vintage Faimme (1970s) rims I'm running on another bike. Look closely and you can see the base tape shows, but not as much as it does on your Ayara rims.
I recently mounted NOS vintage Clement tires which are about 18-19mm wide to late 1980s rims. Even the Clements show a little bit of the base tape.
I have 25mm skin-wall Rallys mounted on Roval wheels (which I assume are from the early '90s). The Roval rims are a bit wider (maybe 2-3mm) than vintage Faimme (1970s) rims I'm running on another bike. Look closely and you can see the base tape shows, but not as much as it does on your Ayara rims.
I recently mounted NOS vintage Clement tires which are about 18-19mm wide to late 1980s rims. Even the Clements show a little bit of the base tape.
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FWIW, those of us who rode tubulars back when they were the only choice for high-performance bikes imprinted on light-colored sidewalls. For decades, if you saw a bicycle with all-black tires, you knew it was from Sears, Montgomery Wards, Western Auto, etc.---the cheapest of the cheap. I still involuntarily wince at the sight of an otherwise high-end-looking bike with all-black tires.
Irrelevant, of course, except that it might explain why it seems that all-black tubulars are uncommon: in the U.S., anyway, most of the comparatively few cyclists riding tubulars these days are probably in their 50's or older and want their bikes to look the way they did when they were new.
Irrelevant, of course, except that it might explain why it seems that all-black tubulars are uncommon: in the U.S., anyway, most of the comparatively few cyclists riding tubulars these days are probably in their 50's or older and want their bikes to look the way they did when they were new.
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i would think so by definitiin yes. all of the tape that is showing on my shallow rims would be glued and adhering to the sides of the deep rim. Plus mechanically there is a deeper lip supporting the tire against lateral forces.
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Modern tubular rims are wider than vintage tubular rims. The same is generally true for modern tubular tires. When your Nashbar was sold, it probably had 19-20mm wide tires and the base tape is not as wide.
I have 25mm skin-wall Rallys mounted on Roval wheels (which I assume are from the early '90s). The Roval rims are a bit wider (maybe 2-3mm) than vintage Faimme (1970s) rims I'm running on another bike. Look closely and you can see the base tape shows, but not as much as it does on your Ayara rims.
I recently mounted NOS vintage Clement tires which are about 18-19mm wide to late 1980s rims. Even the Clements show a little bit of the base tape.
I have 25mm skin-wall Rallys mounted on Roval wheels (which I assume are from the early '90s). The Roval rims are a bit wider (maybe 2-3mm) than vintage Faimme (1970s) rims I'm running on another bike. Look closely and you can see the base tape shows, but not as much as it does on your Ayara rims.
I recently mounted NOS vintage Clement tires which are about 18-19mm wide to late 1980s rims. Even the Clements show a little bit of the base tape.
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I agree with what was said above, my first “10-speed” bike was a Sears-Puch gas pipe department store special. Plain Jane black walled tires that I swapped out for Schwinn gum wall Puff high pressures as soon as seeing other kids with higher end bikes.
No real advantage to the yellow walled tires, but they had a mental advantage the 14-15 year old kid accepted readily.
Over a year later, I had the opportunity to buy a Bottecchia Special, chosen over the base model De Luxe, because it had gum wall clinchers, and the magical Campagnolo decal for its front and rear Valentino mechs. I was in Euro heaven.
Fortunately for me, the kindly head Schwinn mechanic where I purchased the Botty took time to explain to me why lacing up tubular type rims and putting on Clement tubs was not the best idea for a neophyte kid just getting into cycling. My dad was with us, smiling as the gentleman patiently went through every aspect of what was needed, what I would have to do to ride the tubs, and total cost that entailed. (An astronomical $50.00, in 1972🫣, not including the cost of three Clement tubular tires.)
It was 1979 when I took the plunge and began riding tubulars. I enjoy them to this day, but I am finishing up a 71 Schwinn Super Sport, and the Puff knock off Kenda gum wall clinchers are on it. The two Italians with tubulars with skin wall Rally tires mounted to the skinny GP-4 alloy rims will still be ridden and enjoyed, but my inner 15 year old that also purchased a Schwinn Continental, looks forward to the 27X1-1/4” Puff like hours that are upcoming.
I wouldn’t sweat the base tape showing, but that’s personal choice. Enjoy what you chose and just keep pedaling.
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No real advantage to the yellow walled tires, but they had a mental advantage the 14-15 year old kid accepted readily.
Over a year later, I had the opportunity to buy a Bottecchia Special, chosen over the base model De Luxe, because it had gum wall clinchers, and the magical Campagnolo decal for its front and rear Valentino mechs. I was in Euro heaven.
Fortunately for me, the kindly head Schwinn mechanic where I purchased the Botty took time to explain to me why lacing up tubular type rims and putting on Clement tubs was not the best idea for a neophyte kid just getting into cycling. My dad was with us, smiling as the gentleman patiently went through every aspect of what was needed, what I would have to do to ride the tubs, and total cost that entailed. (An astronomical $50.00, in 1972🫣, not including the cost of three Clement tubular tires.)
It was 1979 when I took the plunge and began riding tubulars. I enjoy them to this day, but I am finishing up a 71 Schwinn Super Sport, and the Puff knock off Kenda gum wall clinchers are on it. The two Italians with tubulars with skin wall Rally tires mounted to the skinny GP-4 alloy rims will still be ridden and enjoyed, but my inner 15 year old that also purchased a Schwinn Continental, looks forward to the 27X1-1/4” Puff like hours that are upcoming.
I wouldn’t sweat the base tape showing, but that’s personal choice. Enjoy what you chose and just keep pedaling.
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Do both sides look like this? you should have an eqial ammount of base tape showing on both side.
Do both sides look like this? you should have an eqial ammount of base tape showing on both side.
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Your tire is perfectly sized for your rim. You'll be fine. Again--no need to overthink it.
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You don't see, or shouldn't be looking, the base tape when riding...
If you are that fussy, like others have said, a magic marker is your friend.
That nice, wide, thick base layer is very comforting to me and likely all riders of sewups.
If you are that fussy, like others have said, a magic marker is your friend.
That nice, wide, thick base layer is very comforting to me and likely all riders of sewups.
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Do both sides look like this? you should have an eqial ammount of base tape showing on both side.
Do both sides look like this? you should have an eqial ammount of base tape showing on both side.
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