What shifters used in "A Sunday in Hell" Paris Roubais?
10-30-22, 11:29 AM
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What shifters used in "A Sunday in Hell" Paris Roubais?
Hi guys, so, just watched "A Sunday in Hell" film of the `70`s Paris Roubais.
In the opening credits we see a mechanic building up Moser`s Benotto but I`m pretty sure those are not Campy downtube shifters but something like Suntour? Anyone know what they were?
Thanks, Dan.
In the opening credits we see a mechanic building up Moser`s Benotto but I`m pretty sure those are not Campy downtube shifters but something like Suntour? Anyone know what they were?
Thanks, Dan.
10-30-22, 07:54 PM
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i just double checked the opening sequence - they look like campy record shifters to me
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They are super long! Maybe something custom for P/R, almost like they welded longer extensions onto regular record bases then ground them down flat.
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10-30-22, 09:00 PM
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Definitely custom built to be longer
This is so interesting to me, that could be quite an advantage for the rider
I wonder if other riders did this too?
How do we know that this is Moser's Benotto?
This is so interesting to me, that could be quite an advantage for the rider
I wonder if other riders did this too?
How do we know that this is Moser's Benotto?
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10-31-22, 02:15 AM
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I think they're classic record shifters, wouldn't make sense otherwise. What's playing here is a change of aspect ratio in the film-to-YT-vid conversion: the image is compressed in the horizontal axis. Wheels are egg-shaped, everything is stretched out vertically (tall mechanic!).
First image shows an oval-shaped chainring in the original YT vid (and not biopace or the like).
Second image same thing compressed on the vertical axis (round now).
Last one, same compression, normal shifters, short Italian mechanic
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Exceptional riders, normal shifters.
First image shows an oval-shaped chainring in the original YT vid (and not biopace or the like).
Second image same thing compressed on the vertical axis (round now).
Last one, same compression, normal shifters, short Italian mechanic
.Exceptional riders, normal shifters.
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I think they're classic record shifters, wouldn't make sense otherwise. What's playing here is a change of aspect ratio in the film-to-YT-vid conversion: the image is compressed in the horizontal axis. Wheels are egg-shaped, everything is stretched out vertically (tall mechanic!).
First image shows an oval-shaped chainring in the original YT vid (and not biopace or the like).
Second image same thing compressed on the vertical axis (round now).
Last one, same compression, normal shifters, short Italian mechanic.
Exceptional riders, normal shifters.
First image shows an oval-shaped chainring in the original YT vid (and not biopace or the like).
Second image same thing compressed on the vertical axis (round now).
Last one, same compression, normal shifters, short Italian mechanic
.Exceptional riders, normal shifters.
LOL. you’re probably right, but it’s interesting discussing the possibility and reasons why.
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If you want to see vintage bikes racing, you need to watch 60 Cycles. Note that barcons were occasionally used in racing.
https://www.nfb.ca/film/60_cycles_en/
https://www.nfb.ca/film/60_cycles_en/
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I just went out to the garage to look at the Campy DT levers on my 1972 Masi GC. They are kind of long at least compared to the C Records I have.
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I mean, you can weld it, I have done it, but it won't be strong. It's a "cosmetic weld". It gets weird and has problems with degrading strength, cracking, and crumbling as time goes on.
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these mounted directly to the frame?
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10-31-22, 08:36 AM
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If you want to see vintage bikes racing, you need to watch 60 Cycles. Note that barcons were occasionally used in racing.
https://www.nfb.ca/film/60_cycles_en/
https://www.nfb.ca/film/60_cycles_en/
I've always loved this video because the quality of the film is very good compared to other old cycling films on YouTube.
There are many detailed close ups of the bikes and you can very clearly see the components used in some of the footage
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I like your thinking!
They're really just Huret long-arms with a Schwinn knob on their ends.
My 1970 Raleigh Record sported the long Huret levers, which made up for the Allvit's stiff spring and un-lined cable housing.
They're really just Huret long-arms with a Schwinn knob on their ends.
My 1970 Raleigh Record sported the long Huret levers, which made up for the Allvit's stiff spring and un-lined cable housing.
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I went to the trouble of sourcing rare 4x5mm ferrules to cap off modern compressionless housing and still fit in the old Schwinn's housing stops on the frame and levers, and the shifting is almost sublime. And being able to knock off an upshift with my knee while climbing off of the saddle is at times, priceless.
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Those elongated shifters and oval wheels? This is Paris-Roubaix. Longer shifters for an easier, faster shift while on that rough stuff and not wanting any more time than absolutely needed with one hand off the bars. And the oval wheels - carefully shaped to match the cobbles. Rim goes all over the place while the hub runs a straight and level line. (Now that paved stuff gets a little rough.)
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A DT guy here forever. Fond memories of doing that same shift climbing walls in my racing days and "choosing" that 13 tooth cog at the steepest part. When the SunTour shifters that sat on the little box on top of the DT came out in the early '80s, I was onboard as soon as I saw one for sale. Still ride 'em.
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