dvdslw

Just wondering if anyone has experience with both of the tires in a tubeless only version? I am looking for a new set of tires to replace my Fusion 3's which I really like but would like to try other brands just to get a feel for their product. I found a kit from Schwable that comes with 2 tires and their sealant for a good price locally but it seems the ZX's have been replaced by the 1's so that has me 2nd guessing my decision? Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks!

JTGraphics

I have no experience with the tubeless version but I do use the One and S tires and both are great. The tubeless One has better protection than the ZX so it should be a great.
For me the Swables last a very long time are very cut resistant roll fast and grip, I was riding Pro 3 & 4's roll just as good but they cut easy and wear fast!

NWS Alpine

I would get the One over the ZX at this point. 25c if possible. Have you considered the sector 28c from hutchinson?

dvdslw

I have considered other tires but between my mtb and road bike I just prefer the ride quality and wear characteristics of the Schwable product and expect an improvement over the Fusion 3's.

jimc101

Given the One (it's called One, not 1) is the replacement for the discontinued Ultremo ZX, unless you can get the ZX heavily discounted, little point in getting it now.

dvdslw

I think I'd have to agree with you but as far as it being "one" not "1", I was just being lazy on the typing, I think most would get it?

robbyville

I did not use the ZX's (but have a set of the One's currently). My understanding was that the ZX's rolled beautifully but were a "race day" type of tire, not well protected and wore quickly (again not my experience just reviews). The One's have been very comfortable and seem like they should last well, I use my tubeless mostly as a winter wheel, gravel use, and a particular Fondo that has a ton of uphill dirt riding.

If you're looking to experiment, you should also try the Bontrager R3 TL, so far that has been my favorite. Lasted around 1500 miles I'd say, I replaced them when sealant started to leak through some of the cuts from all the gravel.

RNAV

You really like the R3's over the Schwalbe Ones? I'm on R2's now, but was planning on going with Schwalbe Ones when the time came. Can you expand upon the differences between the R3 vs One?

robbyville

Well the R3's were a little lighter granted I can't tell that while riding I did find though the ride was just a little more comfortable perhaps because I was able to easily ride them at 80-85 rear and 80 frt I weigh about 158. Cut resistance they seem to be about the same. Can't really quantify it more than that seems also that the 25's on the bontrager's run a little wider than the same in the schwalbe's.

Johnny Rad

I've been happily riding Schwalbe Ultremo 23c clinchers for the past >5 years ... Ultremo, R.1, EVO, ZX and now One.

I'm a firm believer in their value proposition. They've been more than durable, though they all seem to pick-up superficial cuts relatively easily and throw off annoying strands of something or other that collect in the RD jockey wheels. Flat protection has also been more than acceptable plus they're easy on the scale.

Comparing the ZX 23c clincher to the One 23c clincher, I'm confident the One provides a much softer, supple and pleasant ride. In the beginning it was un-nervingly soft, like it had a slow leak. ... yes, roll with the same psi from one tire to the next. Another poster elsewhere wrote the One rides like suspension and I can't disagree. The One is ~15g heavier at 210g, but allegedly rolls faster and that should more than make up for the weight gain.

Good luck!

robbyville

All true, but OP remember when looking at the weights above these are for clinchers and not Tubeless. My R3 Clinchers were around 200g, my R3 Tubeless around 285g My One Tubeless a little more (but again unless being a weightweenie you really can't feel the difference)

Johnny Rad

Robbyville remember, one or two grams here and three or four there eventually add up to kg's.

robbyville

Ha, True enough! I'm a pretty decent weight weenie but I also respect the ludicrousness of spending huge dollars per gram (even though I do it myself). I just don't like to foist my affliction on others

Johnny Rad

Hell yeah I'm foisting.
That's what foisters do.
I'm a foister, baby.

dvdslw

A std clincher averages 200g with an inner tube averaging 100g so we're right at 300g for the tire/tube combo. A tubeless tire these days averages 300g and there's no tube needed so what's the difference? And if your a total weight weenie there are some tubeless options weighing as low as 250g but you trade puncture protection, no different than a std clincher sub 200g