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Old 09-18-08, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Don't laugh, man... he pulled a quote with no context from an anonymous source off the internet.
That wasn't a qoute off the internet, but a way to make it stand out in a way that even Botto could understand it.

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Originally Posted by botto
yeah, you're right, "skill and tactics" are worthless there.
Did you actually read the entire post? or just highlight Paris Roubaix and make your normal humorous comments?

Do you agree that once in a breakaway isolated by your team, your team has very little to do tactically with you winning?

This was my point that the Tour Du Faso winners have won primarily on their own with little team support, as do many (not all) Paris Roubaix winners.
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Originally Posted by domestique
Did you actually read the entire post? or just highlight Paris Roubaix and make your normal humorous comments?

Do you agree that once in a breakaway isolated by your team, your team has very little to do tactically with you winning?

This was my point that the Tour Du Faso winners have won primarily on their own with little team support, as do many (not all) Paris Roubaix winners.
apparently you don't get it.
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Originally Posted by botto
apparently you don't get it.
"Enlighten me"
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Originally Posted by domestique
"Enlighten me"
Ever heard of blocking? There's a lot that teams can do back in the peloton to keep their rider out in the break, especially on narrow, crappy roads. But you know that already, right?
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Ever heard of blocking? There's a lot that teams can do back in the peloton to keep their rider out in the break, especially on narrow, crappy roads. But you know that already, right?
yes I did, But then again it doesn't really work when the top 5 favorites are ALREADY in the break, and the only people being blocked are the team cars
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Originally Posted by domestique
yes I did, But then again it doesn't really work when the top 5 favorites are ALREADY in the break, and the only people being blocked are the team cars
and, using your logic, those top favorites got there due to strength/luck/determination, and had absolutely nothing to do with 'skill or tactics.'
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Old 09-18-08, 07:33 AM
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This is an awesome article. Can't wait to see what comes of it.

Also, for someone out there that talked about genes... I have them and I suck! ha ha
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I actually saw those two riders training in june at Genting highlands. They made the climb look easy.
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Old 09-18-08, 07:52 AM
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Cool article. I was wondering what their average speed was. I think my math was wrong because I got 33mph.......Anyone know?
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Old 09-18-08, 07:52 AM
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This sounded like a government program, which I dislike. Its a mockery that China and other countries spend money and force people into sports at that they dont even enjoy, just for a medal.

This is different, they truly love cycling, more power to them. I wouldn't mind seeing them in the peloton in the near future.
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Old 09-18-08, 08:50 AM
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I guess time will tell if a squad is willing to pick up one or both of these guys and put them on a developmental team.

Granted they are older than the average developmental project, but if they can climb like that at this stage of their rider development, who knows what they could turn into.

Heck, teach them to swim and they would own the Ironman
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Originally Posted by domestique
Ho-Hum, I guess I will humor you...

Paris Roubaix: A race for the strong/lucky and determined. Most winners are isolated from their teams after the first couple hours "little team tactics used once you are by yourself" (you already knew that), it is just them, the environment and their competitors (you already knew that).

Anything else you want to comment on?
Mother of God...

Are you serious?
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Old 09-18-08, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by domestique
yes I did, But then again it doesn't really work when the top 5 favorites are ALREADY in the break, and the only people being blocked are the team cars
You don't actually race bicycles, do you?
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Originally Posted by domestique
Ho-Hum, I guess I will humor you...

Paris Roubaix: A race for the strong/lucky and determined. Most winners are isolated from their teams after the first couple hours "little team tactics used once you are by yourself" (you already knew that), it is just them, the environment and their competitors (you already knew that).

Anything else you want to comment on?
Not raced much yourself then, eh?
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
Not raced much yourself then, eh?
If I could tell it was BS from my own Cat 4 schmuck experience, then I'd have to say probably not.
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Originally Posted by domestique
I think we are many years away from seeing a Non-European, non-American Continent rider.
cadel evans??
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Originally Posted by michaelh001
cadel evans??
Ryder Hesjedal. Victor Hugo Pena. Michael Rogers. Julian Dean. Mauricio Soler. Alex Stieda (The first North American to wear the yellow jersey in 1986, wasn't American)

All non-European and non-American riders.

Domestique, want to stop acting like you know everything?
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Not really worth commenting on that type of logic, is it?

(The P-R comment)
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Originally Posted by DrPete
my own Cat 4 schmuck experience
Yet another reason to love Dr. Pete, my fellow Peloton Dog.

Woof.

You are not alone my brother. There is an army of Cat 4 Schmucks out here. We have racing licenses and we're not afraid to use them. Maybe we should be all things considered. But we're too stupid to stop racing. It's like a giant Velo Masochism Society.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Yet another reason to love Dr. Pete, my fellow Peloton Dog.

Woof.

You are not alone my brother. There is an army of Cat 4 Schmucks out here. We have racing licenses and we're not afraid to use them. Maybe we should be all things considered. But we're too stupid to stop racing. It's like a giant Velo Masochism Society.
Hey--it takes lots of hard work and perseverance to suck at bike racing.
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