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Equipment Decisions
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I've got my first 'proper' competition in May and I'm considering getting some new equipment for it. I'm thinking of getting a skinsuit, a 3/4/5 spoke and disc. I'm not sure where to go for the Skinsuit, any recommendations?, but I've seen a few wheel combos that I quite like the look of and I was hoping you might pass judgement on them.
FFWD disc and 5
Corima Disc and 4
Navigator Disc and 5
All tubular
Given I do not have massive reserves of cash I was thinking of going for the navigator set as they are a bit cheaper but I might go for a more expensive set if I feel like I can cope with being thrifty for a while after as I have never heard of navigators until recently but they are being sold by Dolan bikes and I've seen a few pictures of high end guys using them. I'm looking at this as a long term investment as well as I am going to be trying to compete more often in the future. I am in the UK and my main disciplines are the sprint/kilo/keirin. I also currently have a pair of 82mm deep carbon tubs. Any comments/criticisms welcome! Thanks!
I've got my first 'proper' competition in May and I'm considering getting some new equipment for it. I'm thinking of getting a skinsuit, a 3/4/5 spoke and disc. I'm not sure where to go for the Skinsuit, any recommendations?, but I've seen a few wheel combos that I quite like the look of and I was hoping you might pass judgement on them.
FFWD disc and 5
Corima Disc and 4
Navigator Disc and 5
All tubular
Given I do not have massive reserves of cash I was thinking of going for the navigator set as they are a bit cheaper but I might go for a more expensive set if I feel like I can cope with being thrifty for a while after as I have never heard of navigators until recently but they are being sold by Dolan bikes and I've seen a few pictures of high end guys using them. I'm looking at this as a long term investment as well as I am going to be trying to compete more often in the future. I am in the UK and my main disciplines are the sprint/kilo/keirin. I also currently have a pair of 82mm deep carbon tubs. Any comments/criticisms welcome! Thanks!
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Hello All
I've got my first 'proper' competition in May and I'm considering getting some new equipment for it. I'm thinking of getting a skinsuit, a 3/4/5 spoke and disc. I'm not sure where to go for the Skinsuit, any recommendations?, but I've seen a few wheel combos that I quite like the look of and I was hoping you might pass judgement on them.
FFWD disc and 5
Corima Disc and 4
Navigator Disc and 5
All tubular
Given I do not have massive reserves of cash I was thinking of going for the navigator set as they are a bit cheaper but I might go for a more expensive set if I feel like I can cope with being thrifty for a while after as I have never heard of navigators until recently but they are being sold by Dolan bikes and I've seen a few pictures of high end guys using them. I'm looking at this as a long term investment as well as I am going to be trying to compete more often in the future. I am in the UK and my main disciplines are the sprint/kilo/keirin. I also currently have a pair of 82mm deep carbon tubs. Any comments/criticisms welcome! Thanks!
I've got my first 'proper' competition in May and I'm considering getting some new equipment for it. I'm thinking of getting a skinsuit, a 3/4/5 spoke and disc. I'm not sure where to go for the Skinsuit, any recommendations?, but I've seen a few wheel combos that I quite like the look of and I was hoping you might pass judgement on them.
FFWD disc and 5
Corima Disc and 4
Navigator Disc and 5
All tubular
Given I do not have massive reserves of cash I was thinking of going for the navigator set as they are a bit cheaper but I might go for a more expensive set if I feel like I can cope with being thrifty for a while after as I have never heard of navigators until recently but they are being sold by Dolan bikes and I've seen a few pictures of high end guys using them. I'm looking at this as a long term investment as well as I am going to be trying to compete more often in the future. I am in the UK and my main disciplines are the sprint/kilo/keirin. I also currently have a pair of 82mm deep carbon tubs. Any comments/criticisms welcome! Thanks!
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Get a skinsuit. It's the best bang for the buck in terms of aero. Here are 2 from Castelli:
BODY PAINT 3.0 SPEED SUIT LS | SpeedSuits | Tops | Men | Products | Castelli ? An Unfair Advantage
SANREMO 3.0 SPEED SUIT | SpeedSuits | Tops | Men | Products | Castelli ? An Unfair Advantage
You don't "need" a skinsuit. You can also use basic bibs and a compression top like this:
Nike Pro Combat Core Compression Men's Shirt. Nike Store
These are also MUCH easier to get in and out of when it's time to go to the bathroom
Also get some latex aero booties (only legal in outdoor racing, but some may not object indoors. just ask).
I have a Navigator 5 spoke front and I like it. It's slightly heavier than the Mavic Io but it's 1/6 the cost Not sure how it tests in a wind tunnel. But, it feels good.
You can use your road front wheel. Just get a "track skewer" and replace the quick release.
Example: Zipp - Speed Weaponry | Accessories | Components | Track Front Skewer
Honestly, since you are just getting started, wheels won't make that big of a difference. I'd say use a solid rear wheel that can hold up to your strength (32 spoke is fine) and use/borrow an aero front. It's been proven that the rear disc delivers the least aero benefit of all aero gear (skinsuit, helmet, booties, front wheel, frame, etc...)
So, if you already have an aero front wheel and you buy a compression top you'll be set for less < 20 Pounds Sterling ($25)...seriously.
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You can use your road front wheel. Just get a "track skewer" and replace the quick release.
Example: Zipp - Speed Weaponry | Accessories | Components | Track Front Skewer
Example: Zipp - Speed Weaponry | Accessories | Components | Track Front Skewer
Gotta find this elsewhere now.
Thanks for the info, will be very useful.
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Hi Carleton. Thanks for the reply. I'm not actually that new to track cycling and I've been having sort of unofficial races against the other guys who go to the velodrome I've been going to. I'm consistently getting over 55km/h on my sprints and frankly I've been looking for an excuse to get a disc and 5 (Also I'm a bit of an aesthetic obsessed man-child and the disc and 5 is just so pretty ). Would it really be that pointless to get a set or should I just focus on getting stronger before I get them?
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Plenty of places you will be able to find this (other brands work just as well too) that will ship internationally. I bought my last Zipp made one from ebay seller trialthis who shipped from the US to Aus.
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Minimal to zero gains going from your 82mm tubs to wheel combinations above. Tyres and good glue job matters more.
Timetrialling Forum is local to you and reasonably often has second hand track disc wheels for sale if you still want a disc rear. For cheap skins suits, the guys in that forum recommend a UK ebay seller - graceo_titanium_bolts
Good shoe covers are faster but as the UK are similar to Australia following UCI rules to the letter they aren't allowed indoors.
Timetrialling Forum is local to you and reasonably often has second hand track disc wheels for sale if you still want a disc rear. For cheap skins suits, the guys in that forum recommend a UK ebay seller - graceo_titanium_bolts
Good shoe covers are faster but as the UK are similar to Australia following UCI rules to the letter they aren't allowed indoors.
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Track - British Universities & Colleges Sport
Unless I've managed to miss a statement of requiring a license its just sign up and arrive. It's only for current university students though.
Unless I've managed to miss a statement of requiring a license its just sign up and arrive. It's only for current university students though.
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Banchad, I doubt that you'd see any differences in times using any of the aero wheels mentioned above, including your 82mm front.
Wheels are very noticable, but once you cross a certain threshold (i.e something like a Zipp 404 front), the gains are very minimal. Any gains or losses would be mixed in with all the other variables that contributed to your TT times (position, fitness, experience, line, other aero equipment, fatigue, hydration, temperature, etc...).
Trust me. You can't just put on a Mavic Io/Comete set and do a 10" flying 200. They aren't that fast.
If you average 55kph for a flying 200M that's 13.1". If you are a 13" flying 200 guy on 32 spoke wheels, then you'll be around 12.8"-ish on any set of aero wheels, all things being equal.
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Oh I understand that you cant just chuck on 'fast' wheels and expect to miraculously get way faster. It's all about the rider. I'm just getting hung up the 'look'. It's something I'm working on keeping under control (sometimes less than successfully). Thanks for the advice!
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ebay. Maybe urbane cyclist in TO. or your LBS can order. Or ebay.
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I wish the rear was also as easy to manage (The set I got has a skewer for rear also, but it seems short to me for my 11-speed wheel).
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Really? I'll have to have a word with my friend who is adamant that they're not very good and keeps badgering me to swap them to Vittorias. Ah well. Looks like all the easy excuses for being slower than I want aren't going to wash. Better get my ass in the gym then.
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As you are racing indoors on wood at Manchester (like your mate I am a Vittoria fan) I'd say the Evo Pistas. Outdoors on concrete I use their road tyre - Corsa Evo CX's.
Which ever tyre, be liberal with the glue to reduce rolling resistance and rolling a tyre...
Which ever tyre, be liberal with the glue to reduce rolling resistance and rolling a tyre...
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I've already glued my tyres on myself. I bloody hated how tight the contis were to get on.
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Vittorias are nice, but tend to run on the delicate side and that's why I don't like them. Never like Vittoria on the road as I was always getting flats and after two months one a new tub, one of the sidewalls got sliced open. That sealed their fate with me. I did have a set of Evo Pistas, but switched them to a set of Sonderklasse when they wore out.
Also like Tufo as well. Great value, and no complaints in their performance. If you already have decent equipment, then run what ya brung.
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- The thread can wear out. "Race" tires usually have very thin thread to reduce weight. They are expected to be used in controlled environments like indoor tracks that are swept properly.
- There is a cloth base tape between the tube and the rim. The glue is applied between this base tape and the rim. So there are actually 2 bonds: Rim to Base Tape and Base Tape to Tubular. Sometimes the tubular will begin to separate from the Base Tape like so:
Here are some more things to look for: Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Tubular Tire Gluing
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Ok, this is a stale forum, but this seemed like the best place to pose the question: Last year I ran Conti Sprinters on an 808 and Zipp Disc glued liberally with Conti Carbon rim cement. For this year's ritual "re-shodding of the wheels" I got the new shoes and out of LBS convenience, got Tubasti cement, maybe without thinking it through. Any thoughts on Tubasti in track environments? Carbon rim suitability? Thanks in advance.